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This is my first post and I want to make it informative. For me to start, I just want to impart my thoughts with regards to back pain. There are many causes for back pain, some known to you and some you might never have thought about.

Often we think that, as soon as we feel anything wrong in our back, we must have โ€œdone something to itโ€ just beforehand. But that is not the case. Most of us know the feeling of sudden, unexplainable back pain, where you wonder where it comes from. Fact is that you might have had an accident, a fall, a trauma to your back a few days, weeks, months or even years ago and your body is doing a great job in trying to avoid you from feeling the pain. But if the body doesnโ€™t heal and the compensation work is getting too hard, thatโ€™s when you start feeling pain from an incident you might not even remember anymore. So there really is no such thing as back pain without any reason. There is always a reason and it is just a matter of remembering what you might have done that could have caused that pain in the first place. This also is very important information for your practitioner as he can get a better understanding of what might have happened in your structural body depending on the type of trauma you have experienced.

Of course there are so many more causes for back pain but those that I mentioned above are easy to work out and often easy to eliminate without having to go through lengthy treatments or even surgery.

Let me hear something from you guys!

Thanks=)
 
Back pain?

Hello :smt006

Welcome to the forum!

I think that most, if not all bodyworkers encounter clients with backpain in their practice often. It's always good to get others opinions and insights and hear results - what worked, what didn't and why - even though this often varies from person to person.
 
Back pain?

Welcome to MassagePlanetL! :D

You know this is an EXCELLENT thread!

My background includes a few disciplines, so I thought maybe I could help here :)

As many ppl here know, I'm a DC (chiropractic doc) with a large background in clinical/functional neurology as well as a new-ish field called Functional Medicine (definitely worth a Google! :) ) I'm also an LMT with a background in trigger point and neuromuscular therapy. So I tend to have my foot in a couple of boxes at once LOL.

Usually what I see is this: a neurological imbalance (not life-and-death, but certainly impacts multiple aspects of life) creates a musculoskeletal imbalance involving both bone joints AND soft tissues. The neuro issues are usually caused by something metabolic/Functional Medicine-related and/or stress (they all go hand-in-hand). So the muscle issue is usually a manifestation of something deeper.

I'll break it down further - it's incredibly important to address and correct ALL of these - doing just a part of it results in only partial/short-term relief!

Functional Medicine territory - these things often CAUSE the underlying neuro issues:
* Many classes of drugs
* Smoking - yes increases back pain, believe it or not!
* Nutrient deficiencies - Vitamin B, Magnesium (both EXTREMELY common), Calcium (surprisingly MUCH LESS common)
* Gluten sensitivity - ramps up pain sensitivity overall - 1 out of EVERY 3 people is currently reacting to gluten
* Aspartame consumption - totally messes with the neuromuscular system
* Chronic stress

As a result, the neuro issues start popping up:
* Decreased cerebellar firing (which creates spinal muscle weakness - if those muscles go weak, they tend to overstretch and hurt - cerebellum controls spinal muscle posture)
* Imbalance between left and right cortical hemispheres of the brain - the cortex modulates muscle tone on the opposite side of the body - dysfunction here creates muscle tightness
* Overactive upper brain stem starts chronically firing off stress responses
* Other receptors in the CNS that sense pain become more active, making it more likely for people to perceive pain

Since nervous system controls tonicity and firing of soft tissues, the muscles start acting up, producing the following:
* Psoas hypertonicity - by far
* Trigger point referral
* Fascial restriction
* Dehydration of soft tissues

Since muscles attach to bones, they start pulling bones out of alignment:
* Anterior sacrum - by far
* Misaligned lumbar vertebrae
* Misaligned pelvis
* Degenerative disc/joint disease (2 separate things)

These all become vicious cycles. Once the bones are misaligned, joints start wearing and tearing. Or the mechanoreceptors in those joints fire imbalanced information back up to the CNS, which then further knocks the CNS off balance. The body perceives this all as stress, which further aggravates all the Functional Medicine factors. It's a cycle that keeps going until all aspects are dealt with.

So, what works? Hehe lots of cool things! It's good to address all of these TOGETHER, because they all play on each other and an unfixed problem will undo any progress you've made in other areas.
* LMT - psoas release, go in slowly, work up and down the whole muscle. NMT education helps greatly here.
* DC - realign the pelvis and anterior sacrum - fast stretching using drop tables and the like.
* DC neuro - brain-balancing, using gentle, non-invasive neuro-stimulating techniques geared toward alleviating the dysfunction by bringing the nervous system into balance
* Func Med (DC/MD/DO/and in some states, ND) - identify pharmacological side effects, nutrient deficiencies, cellular metabolic errors, etc through lab testing and correct them using nutritional supplements. ELIMINATE common food allergens (don't bother testing for these - too many false negatives) like gluten, dairy, soy, egg, etc.
* Stop smoking! (Heh - if I did, I know it can be done!)
* Drink water!
* And, take preventive measures - eat well, cut out sugar-free products, do yoga, stay active (without overtraining), watch your food ingredient labels and GET MASSAGE REGULARLY :)

Hope that helps! ;)

I'd love to hear other perspectives! I know mine is prolly a strange one LOL.

GreenDragonfly said:
Hello :smt006

Welcome to the forum!

I think that most, if not all bodyworkers encounter clients with backpain in their practice often. It's always good to get others opinions and insights and hear results - what worked, what didn't and why - even though this often varies from person to person.
 
Back pain?

That's a lengthy one but really informative..Thanks for taking time sharing your thoughts with me..really appreciated..
 
Back pain?

I am intrigued by the notion of simply removing the lower back, as much as needed for the pain to stop. I've envisioned a method that is a bit crude, but 100% effective at eliminating back pain in a single session. :smt027

It's likely to also have a 100% mortality rate, but you can't make omelets without breaking a few eggs. Best of all, I could teach the whole method in 1 day and award certification upon completion of a single treatment. Don't think that makes it easy. Most MTs won't have the fortitude required to go through with it.

I haven't worked up the nerve to verify its potential by testing it on a client yet, so don't start bombarding me with PMs about when/where/how much for classes.
 
Back pain?

Jason, your likely 100% mortality rate sounds fascinating. 100% anything is something to aim for, after all if it's not going to be a 100% guaranteed result, it's not worth doing. Consistency is all important! A cookie cutter routine provides reliable results every time! I hope you are prepared to share the when/where/how much for classes on here so you don't get bothered by all those nasty PMs.

PS don't bother to test it on clients before starting the classes, you need to have more faith in your abilities!
 
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    Friday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CHERRY, ELLA & MAGGIE. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž CHERRY is a young, slim, friendly and absolutely gorgeous Vietnamese beauty, 49 Kgs with Bounteous D Cups. Real pics, unreal services! BBBJ, shower together, full menu. ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude.
  31. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boob Wawa ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Julia ,Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Rose ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
  32. YM203:
    MoonMoon spa/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 Turkish Persian girl (Jasmine) in Friday and Saturday
  33. Shangri-la Spa:
    โค๏ธThe insatiable Coco is back at Shangri-la ๐Ÿ˜ ๐Ÿ“ฃGive us a holler 647 695-6354๐Ÿ“ฃ
  34. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Mia ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Vivi,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ437665551
  35. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Baby๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿฅฐ A young, vibrant 22 year old petite spinner from Vietnam with a calm and welcoming presence. Her dark, flowing hair complements her soft, warm smile, creating an approachable and friendly atmosphere. She carries herse
  36. SunriseRH:
    FRIDAY at ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—ฆ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: JULIA & NAYLA. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿฒ โ˜Ž๏ธ JULIA is a slim but curvy Spanish attendant with natural B Cups & a pretty face. She can take a load off your mind. NAYLA is a tall, young, beautiful & curvy Spanish girl. Come and say hola. SUNRISE SPA welcomes you to experience total relaxation
  37. NewOriental:
    FRIDAY at ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’š๐—ก๐—˜๐—ช ๐—ข๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ก๐—ง๐—”๐—Ÿ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’š๐Ÿ: HAPPY & NAYLA. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿด๐Ÿญ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. NAYLA is a tall, young, beautiful & curvy Spanish girl. Come and say hola. NEW ORIENTAL SPA
  38. ASPA:
    ๐—™๐—ฅ๐—œ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—ฎ๐˜ ๐—” ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: ๐—”๐—บ๐˜† & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage
  39. ForeverWarden:
    Friday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ : Bobo, Mia & Sasa. Bobo is a small, slim and sexy lady, petite with all natural busty melons for your enjoyment. Mia is a Caribbean service queen temptress with incredible curves & very friendly attitude. She is able to bbbj like a queen, and is open to dfk and cfs.
  40. HolidaySpa:
    Friday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ EVA, YOYO & CINDY EVA is young, slim, innocent & demure looks, but donโ€™t let her innocent looks deceive. She can massage & service very well. YOYO is a very beautiful slim Chinese lady, 165Cms & 116 Lbs with natural D Cups and a very sexy figure. She provides the best versatile PSE services.
  41. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, we have 4 beautiful young girls are working today, young sweet Summer slime 30โ€™s and Young fun Tina with big buttocks open mind, cute GFE lina and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in aways welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  42. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Jessica ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’• 155 cm, 90Ibs Pretty Girl with amazing personality and super easy to get along ๐Ÿฅ‘ Sasa ๐Ÿ’• Sexy Vietnamese Body Type She is very sweet Provides Excellent Customer Service ๐Ÿฅ‘Judy๐Ÿ’• is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ647-446-0886
  43. lotushubspa:
    Dear customers, Lotus Spa is located at 10737 Yonge St unit13. The girl who works today is named Anna๐Ÿ’‹Tiffany๐Ÿ’‹Amy๐Ÿ’‹. We have massages from Taiwan, China and Korea for you. First-class service. Come and try it quickly๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ’‹Please contact 9052375885๐Ÿ’‹ or SMS 4163565876๐Ÿ’‹
  44. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick On Username and FOLLOW USโœ… Today ๐ŸŒธNina๐ŸŒธSophia๐ŸŒธAlisa๐ŸŒธSelina๐ŸŒธAnjali โ˜Ž905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ
  45. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spa โ™จ๏ธ โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธ 5124 Dundas W Etobicoke 3 girls Tiffany round big breasts, sexy perky buttocks ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ Mia36 DD large breasts, rosy nipples, small nipples, Wow ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Super great body slide ๐Ÿ‘ Luna has a slim figure and smooth, delicate skin like a little girl ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฐ Welcome to enter or make an appointment โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 rear door with a large number of parking spaces
  46. tgirlunicorn:
    London Ontario love to been someone's special sugar baby n will do anything my daddy wants as long as I get to dress and act like his personal whore serious daddy's only 5196708564...plz txt only
  47. See You Health Center:
    Candy๐Ÿ’• She is a Vietnamese With nice Sexy Slender Body, Curves and Sweet Melons ๐Ÿฅ‘ Cici๐Ÿ’• Cute Skinny Sexy Vietnamese Girl With Voluptuous Huge C Melons โ˜Ž 416-988-2950
  48. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ LUCY, ASHA, MALIYA, SANA, AMANDA, MEERA, SALMA, ANGELINA, SARIKA, PAYAL PEARL ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  49. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ KAJAL, RIYA, SASHA, PRETTI and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  50. hiyamickey:
    6 girls working Reinella wellness, Selina, Sasha, Jenny, Pinky, Grace, Ella @6262 hwy7 unit #1 Vaughan, โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-851-4888
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