coming across as tentative

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Hi all,

I finished school, including clinic hours this July and am now licensed. I've just started my business.


My client said that the massage was great, I seem to intuitively know where to go and provide a very relaxing massage, but she senses that I am tentative. Other clients (during clinical) have said this as well.


Does anyone have any thoughts to how I can overcome this? It may be that I need to trust in myself more. I do try to center myself before starting a session and try to stay present with clear intention.
 


Congratulations, Ellie! I am in my final hours of internship and look forward to getting my license soon too.

I would think that the more experience you get, the more confidence you'll have, and that you'll begin to "exude" that confidence once it is yours. Hang in there!
 


I can relate - I used to feel very intimidated and anxious at times about my massage - how I compared to others - if I was "good enough"- what are they thinking etc. I have to say in time I have worked past that feeling and am really feeling confident in myself.
 


There can be a tentativeness in overall approach, like when you ask every two minutes if things are okay. For me that is about being scared the client thinks I am doing a bad job. It seems like confidence in your technique has a lot more to do with your mindset than your actual skill.

But there can also be a tentative quality to touch, when you handle the person's body with too much hesitance and caution. For me this is about being scared I am going to injure or hurt the person. The best thing for this is working on some friends who you are very comfortable with and gives honest feedback. Spend a few sessions being deliberately less cautious than usual, trusting that they will tell you if things are not okay. Really pull the person around and be a little rougher than you are normally comfortable with. Don't intentionally hurt them, but allow yourself not to worry so much about hurting them. Most bodies are pretty sturdy. Not everyone likes a very vigorous treatment, but being able to give a very vigorous treatment builds confidence that comes across in even the gentlest sessions.

I had to do something like this to get over my fear of working in "too intimate" areas like the buttocks, lower abdomen, and inner thigh. I was very tentative. I worked on a few friends who I was able to candidly discuss the issue with. I still tend to be conservative about that unless there is a very specific complaint (sciatica, groin pull, etc) that makes treatment in those areas essential. But I don't feel tentative about it anymore, just cautious.

-- Joshua
 
coming across as tentative

eyesofblue said:
Does anyone have any thoughts to how I can overcome this? It may be that I need to trust in myself more. I do try to center myself before starting a session and try to stay present with clear intention.

I am not sure if anyone ever called me tentative, but I have felt tentative sometimes. What has helped me become more confident with clients is experiencing lots of different bodywork myself. When I know how things feel to me during a session I am more confident delivering techniques to clients.

I wonder when you say that you try to stay present with a clear intention what does that mean to you?
 


Congrats on graduating, getting licensed, and starting your own business. A great series of accomplishments so soon out of the gate.

As far as giving half-hour sessions, eh. Not so sure of that one. But you need to what's good for you.

As far as being tentative. It's kind of subjective. Yeah, checking in more often than you looking at your watch (not during session, of course), may present itself as being tentative; especially if you're doing a relaxation massage. However, if you're doing some a bit (or a lot) more therapeutic and directed, checking in with a client may be more appropriate. This could be especially true if working with a new client. Give yourself a chance. As you progress, your 'feel' for the job (pun not really intended) will increase.

Again, congrats and much work!
 


Congrats!

It's easy to feel unsure at first, and even after years, you'll likely have an off day. :irked:
Getting lots of bodywork yourself from a lot of different people as mentioned by tribute is my number one suggestion.

And be sure you aren't holding your breath. :shocked:

I was taught to use my elbows while doing chair massage, and the woman who instructed me would call my attention to my hand while I was manipulating my elbow. At first, in order to use my elbow, my fist would be clenched during the move. She'd point this out to me, tell me to relax my hand. It makes it entirely different to do a deep controlled movement with your elbow, while your hand is gently flopping loosely at the end of your forearm. It made me realize how much tension I could carry in seemingly unrelated areas of my body, and ultimately how this effected my massage. Even just being aware if you're standing or sitting, are you loose and limber?

And smile while you're working, even if the person is face down! It will help you to relax. Just trust yourself, and keep at it. Your confidence will blossom!
savannah
 


I have to say, I love joshuatenpenny's suggestion.

I had this same problem when I started, and I never did find a specific way to approach it. Over time it just changed. I wish I had known of the suggestion above, I would have tried it!
 


Timedess said:
Congratulations, Ellie! I am in my final hours of internship and look forward to getting my license soon too.

I would think that the more experience you get, the more confidence you'll have, and that you'll begin to "exude" that confidence once it is yours. Hang in there!

Thank you! Good luck to you!

I do think some of it is not having the experience.
 


Massage_kneads_me said:
I can relate - I used to feel very intimidated and anxious at times about my massage - how I compared to others - if I was "good enough"- what are they thinking etc. I have to say in time I have worked past that feeling and am really feeling confident in myself.

I can see this, but I don't feel like I am feeling intimidated or anxious actually. maybe this is good though, to really think about what I'm feeling as I do massage. hmmm
 


joshuatenpenny said:
But there can also be a tentative quality to touch, when you handle the person's body with too much hesitance and caution. For me this is about being scared I am going to injure or hurt the person.

-- Joshua

this is it! exactly. "tentative quality to touch" I "know' I won't hurt the person, but I think deep down that is what I am afraid of and its coming through. thank you for your ideas on working through this. I will do what you suggest. thanks
 
coming across as tentative

tribute said:
eyesofblue said:
Does anyone have any thoughts to how I can overcome this? It may be that I need to trust in myself more. I do try to center myself before starting a session and try to stay present with clear intention.

I am not sure if anyone ever called me tentative, but I have felt tentative sometimes. What has helped me become more confident with clients is experiencing lots of different bodywork myself. When I know how things feel to me during a session I am more confident delivering techniques to clients.

I wonder when you say that you try to stay present with a clear intention what does that mean to you?

see, I don't feel I'm being tentative. at least I'm not aware of it. I do need to receive more body work myself. I can see how that can help me with giving massage. and in more ways than one.

regarding your question about what being present with clear intention means to me, I need to consider what it does mean to me... I know what it means to me, but sometimes questions like this take a long time for me to put into words. not so good with words.
 


Gaspen said:
Congrats on graduating, getting licensed, and starting your own business. A great series of accomplishments so soon out of the gate.

thanks for the congrats. I do feel like its a great accomplishment to be where I am, however, it also feels like its going really slowly!!

I did just today schedule a first appointment with a client, first time with a client that I don't know! and frankly, first paying (others have been trades) a referral, so that feels good!
 


Savannah Bloom said:
Congrats!

It's easy to feel unsure at first, and even after years, you'll likely have an off day. :irked:
Getting lots of bodywork yourself from a lot of different people as mentioned by tribute is my number one suggestion.

And be sure you aren't holding your breath. :shocked:

Even just being aware if you're standing or sitting, are you loose and limber?

And smile while you're working, even if the person is face down! It will help you to relax. Just trust yourself, and keep at it. Your confidence will blossom!
savannah

great things to remember, breath, relax, smile... I have a quick meditation I do. as I breath in I think to myself, "breath in I calm my body" and as I exhale I think " breath out, I smile" it works! even if I am not feeling like smiling, it will get me there.
 


Congratulations Ellie on your graduation, licensure, and establishing of practice!

At one time I was told frequently by classmates that I worked with in school to 'just trust your hands'...

For me it was simple, it just took hours of practice. Each massage I completed I became more confident and more confident. I did take many hours of continuing education, despite the fact that I did attend an extremely well respected school prior to licensure.

It was fine to learn all of the anatomy in school and palpation skills but until I got out there, worked at a spa, saw a lot of clients and felt how everyone's body while basically the same in anatomical terms, are very different in structure energetically, muscularly and in other ways my experience had been limited.

The first six months for me were difficult in the confidence department...and then the veil just started to lift, and then it was like a snowball effect...the more confidence I gained, the better the massage I gave was received, which in turn just helped to support more confidence.

It is experience that will give you that support. It will come, but it may take a little while. It is also a process of amalgamating what you have learned with your own style...and style is once again something that evolves.

Massage therapy, like any other art, is so unique to every practitioner and takes hours of practice. I can tell just by your post that you are innately aware of intention which is the basis for all quality touch.

I think when I started asking the universe before I layed hands on to give me the insight to deliver through my hands what each client needed before my sessions, and asked that my ego be checked at the door, that is when my work became very interesting. When suddenly I was able to start taking the building blocks I had been given in school, and then imprinting my own technique and insight into the sessions, that is when it all became even more interesting and rewarding...and the biggest part of it is that I started trusting in my intuitive capabilities, plugging into that unseen matrix, and just letting it flow...

Keep on believing Ellie, in yourself, the work, even when the days are most challenging and you wonder is my work enough, am I enough...it is and you are! Enjoy this exciting time in the youth of your work...before you know it a couple of years will have gone by and you will have to remind yourself to come to the table with that wide-eyed freshness that just is for you now.

My best to you...
 


If nothing else, fake the confidence until it becomes the true confidence that only comes with experience.
 


Oh man, when I got out of school I got the same feedback, in fact, I think most of us do. The "fake it to make it" works really well, because if you can just act confident, they will think you are confident. Eventually it will come naturally.
 
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    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Zoe - ๐Ÿ”ฅStunning Tall Taiwanese Service Queen with Endless Passion and Sensuality w
  32. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Midi,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Lala,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Helen , Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry,๐Ÿ  address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  33. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Anika , Student pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Michelle,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella, Taiwan girl DD Boobs Thai deep massage lily,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  34. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Jenny๐Ÿ˜˜ - An exotic tall and slim Vietn
  35. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒบOpen Sunday Wonder spa(9421Jane st unit127)โ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800.very big boost Joey and Sunny working today,Joey is sexy girl ,she can provide very good massage with sensual touch, nice Sunny can provide deep tissue massage,she got a lot experience,come see them today,welcome to walk in๐ŸŒบ๐Ÿ‘™much try๐Ÿท๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ
  36. AliceSpa:
    SUNDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด:[/color] Hot Busty BLONDE Girl today at Alice Spa: ELLA (12pm-9pm): is a small & curvy white young girl from Romania, super super busty EE Cups, blue eyes, blond hair, ok services, bbbJ cfs. Please call before booking her due to high demand. Alice Spa has DEBIT PAYMENT available now! Plenty of free parking. Front and back entrance. ALICE SPA, 4915 Steeles Ave. E,
  37. xodyhard:
    Anyone know tracy from forever spa,does anyone where she working aside in forever spa?
  38. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธYoYo๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธHellen Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  39. ASPA:
    ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—”๐—ง ๐—” ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: EMMA and Best Massage RACHEL.[/color] ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ EMMA is 1.64Cm. and weighs 52Kg. Emma is sweet and elegant, has very good communication & massage, and her services will make your visit enjoyable. RACHEL is a slim and attractive
  40. ForeverWarden:
    Sunday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Jennifer & Mia. Jennifer is a tall, slim & pretty Asian babe with natural melons and eraser nipples. She is very open minded. Come and give her a try, and youโ€™ll be sure to come back for more. Mia is a Caribbean service queen temptress with incredible curves & very friendly attitude. She is able to bbbj
  41. HolidaySpa:
    Sunday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธAmy & Suki. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills SUKI is a sexy lady, short with big boobs, medium massage & nice services. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด
  42. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธRebecca๐ŸŒธTiffanyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  43. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spa โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธtable shower ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘body scrub๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน5124 Dundas W Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366 Nice girl Luna is joining. She can provide a very good massage with sensual touch. She knows how to take direction and please a man. Jessica ๐Ÿ˜˜can provide deep Thai massage. She takes directions very well. She has many assets and knows how to use them. Come see her today.Welcome to walk in or make an appointment at any time. Plenty of parking space at the back door
  44. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 13 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, MALIYA, PREET, KIRAN, ANNA, NISHA, SALMA, SABHA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  45. Applover:
    This chat is something. So no one believes Markkk
  46. Applover:
    This chat is something
  47. SugarLoveSpa:
    Sunday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, CARA & JOLIE. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CARA is a young & attractive Chinese attendant, 5โ€™3โ€ & 100 pounds with natural C Cup big boobs, very friendly
  48. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Helen๐ŸฅฐBrand new very young university student from Hong Kong. Great massage skills with a wild flirtatious side willing to tease and please to bring you to satisfaction. Perky natural 34C breasts perfect for kissing and body slide
  49. hiyamickey:
    Reinella wellness will have 6 girls working, young petite Japanese girl Amanda, Queenie, Lucky, Jenny, Vanessa, Ella @6262 hwy7 unit #1 Vaughan โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-851-4888
  50. SugarLoveSpa:
    Monday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ELLA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude. TIFFANY is an amazing slim petite doll with natural 34C melons, slim waist, & a cute little 33โ€ booty. Tiffany has incredible bbbj skills, tastes as sweet as honey