difficulty working through cloth/modesty issues (mine!)

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HI,

This feels like a very silly problem, but, as a recent grad, I have difficulty working through the sheet OR underwear. I can't feel the muscles well, and when i can I don't feel like i can properly work them since the cloth slides around too much. The issue comes up most for the glutes, but would be true anywhere. Compressions or pressure points seem like my only option, and maybe cross-fiber friction at muscle insertions or across the muscle belly, though it doesn't feel very effective. I feel so inept at it that I wish I'd practiced this in school.

On a related note, and I'm sure I just need to get over this, I think that if someone is modest enough to leave their underwear on, it feels invasive to me to work over it or even touch it. It also seems to cross MY modesty boundary, which may make no sense to anyone. I'm comfortable working on the body itself, but underwear seems like a very personal thing. If I need to get to the sacrum I'll ask someone to roll their waistband down, but it feels inappropriate to do it myself. One woman told me that she always keeps her underwear on but her therapists usually work under the waistband, and that would be completely unintuitive to me.

Any help you can provide (and a "get over it" is just fine, but especially on technique) would be great! Thanks.
 


I think you will get used to it soon and most people don't have a problem with it. I just push whatever is in my way aside, easier for me to apply deeper pressure and hone in on knots.
 


Check out this thread:
http://www.massageplanet.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4390

You'll see everyone has different opinions on this issue. You might find an idea or technique that works for you.
 


I always explain to the client that they should undress to their comfort level. This could mean anything from completely undressing to leaving everything on. I also explain how the draping will work and assure them they will not be fully (every nook and cranny) uncovered, even for glute work. When I return to the room I take my cue from them. If they have left their underwear on I tuck the sheet over the underwear and fold it back exposing as much of the low back as is possible, but I do not work under the garment. I do compressions and spend the extra time on the upper leg that is exposed. I think communicating what will be done if they leave more clothing on versus what will happen if they take more clothing off makes them more comfortable and puts the power in their hands and I can save my mind reading skills for other stuff (lol).
 
Modesty

I have never had any modesty about working someone's glutes. My mindset is that of a therapist and healer, and that comes through in my energies. So, touching and working means healing.

My school taught that if the client keeps their underwear on, you work the glutes by doing compressions through the sheet and underwear. I tend to agree with this as I feel most people leaving their underwear on are telling me that they don't want to be touched (skin on skin) in that area. I will not try to do regular massage through the garments. It is too hard on my hands, and probably does not feel good to the client. This is pretty much what I do in my practice.

I currently teach at a corporate college, and my boss has a very good thought process on this. He says that if we can't see the tissue, we should not work it because there could be contraindications under the clothing. Since the school demands that all students leave their underwear on during trades, he came up with another solution. We undrape the glute, and then pull the underwear up form the leg opening, basically uncovering the glute area. The leg opening stretches (it has to be stretchy underwear) and sits up in the butt crack. The drape is then tucked into the underwear to help keep it in place. (The downside is that this gives the client a wedgie. :D )

He is very right in that if someone were to have contraindications (and no client tells us everything), then we are risking our licenses to work an area that we can't inspect. This allows us to work and leave the client their modesty.

Now, as far as my practice goes, I pretty much go with option A. If they leave underwear on, I will do compression throught the garments. I will never work under the garments as I have had that done to me (a therapist I went to years ago made me leave my underwear on), and it stretched out my underwear and did not feel good. Now, if I feel strongly enough about them needing very low back / glute wotk, I will tell them how I feel and ask them if I can pull their underwear down (just off the glutes) so I can work there. If they say yes, I work both sides and then cover them back up. If not, I go back to plan A.

As you get more experience, you will get a better feel for this. I know working the glutes is a very personal thing, and a new therapist might be concerned about their client's reaction. As long as your mind is on healing, you will be fine.

Take care.
 


I gotta say if a Mt gave me a wedgie, I wouldn't be happy. Just my thought on that.

For the OP, I think you will get use to it. We get trained to work on the skin so it is harder not to. My later training in Shiatsu makes is easier at times to actually work through clothes.

Don't hesitate to tell clients that if they want glute work, it is best if they remove the undies unless that makes them uncomfortable. chances are they will.
 


I had another MT PULL MY UNDERWEAR DOWN (!!!) during a massage, and it was teeny little underwear, and it felt really weird. Also, he didn't put it back, either. It felt like he was undressing me or something. The rest of the massage was weird, too, but, that part especially. I don't like it, underwear is a boundary...I think moving an inch or so under it if you HAVE to is alright, but, I think it should be respected....IMHO :D
 


lotuslightmassage said:
I had another MT PULL MY UNDERWEAR DOWN (!!!) during a massage, and it was teeny little underwear, and it felt really weird. Also, he didn't put it back, either. It felt like he was undressing me or something. The rest of the massage was weird, too, but, that part especially. I don't like it, underwear is a boundary...I think moving an inch or so under it if you HAVE to is alright, but, I think it should be respected....IMHO :D

I had a massage therapist pull my underwear DOWN, also.
http://www.massageplanet.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=84971&highlight=#84971

ack!
 


softhearted515 said:
I gotta say if a Mt gave me a wedgie, I wouldn't be happy. Just my thought on that.


*hehe* Ditto, for sure! There goes my nice relaxing moment // or intense concentration, depending on the type of massage.

(I'll try to edit this later for a response to the OP also. --- 09/20/09 --See below.)

I have difficulty working through the sheet OR underwear. I can't feel the muscles well, and when i can I don't feel like i can properly work them since the cloth slides around too much. The issue comes up most for the glutes, but would be true anywhere. Compressions or pressure points seem like my only option, and maybe cross-fiber friction at muscle insertions or across the muscle belly, though it doesn't feel very effective.

I think that if someone is modest enough to leave their underwear on, it feels invasive to me to work over it or even touch it. It also seems to cross MY modesty boundary...

Don't feel bad, we all have something that gets us.

May I suggest that the threads provided will probably have a lot of good info and also the following:

If you are having your own modesty issues about working over a clients underware, let them know ahead of time that if they choose to leave their underware on, you won't work those regions.

If you do eventually become comfortable with working over the underware, I'd suggest working with a blanket. Forearm and elbow copressions when done right can be extra effective on the gluteal region - just make sure and include the sacral edges when appropriate as working them increases effectiveness in many instances that I have found.

Good luck!
 
Modesty

Brian said:
We undrape the glute, and then pull the underwear up form the leg opening, basically uncovering the glute area. The leg opening stretches (it has to be stretchy underwear) and sits up in the butt crack. The drape is then tucked into the underwear to help keep it in place. (The downside is that this gives the client a wedgie. :D )

That would make me not go back to that MT. I agree that visual info is important, but if I've been very clear w/the client that it's their choice what to leave on or take off, I'm not going to re-make that choice for them with dramatic, uncomfortable shifts of what they've chosen to leave on. Up or down. It's their body, not mine.
 


moose-goose,

Yikes! That sounds awful! Mine was awful too. After he pulled my thong undies down, he pressed on my post.illiac crest so hard that he left bruises! He also heavy breathed the whole time (not because it was hard work, it was very deliberate heavy breathing). He also didn't do any intake, and didn't even ask how it was or how I felt--mostly because he thinks he is the bees knees.

Some people's kids..... ;)
 


lotuslightmassage said:
moose-goose,

Yikes! That sounds awful! Mine was awful too. After he pulled my thong undies down, he pressed on my post.illiac crest so hard that he left bruises! He also heavy breathed the whole time (not because it was hard work, it was very deliberate heavy breathing). He also didn't do any intake, and didn't even ask how it was or how I felt--mostly because he thinks he is the bees knees.

Some people's kids..... ;)

I think our "Massage Therapists" must have gone to the same school, hahahahah!!!!!
 
thank you!

Hi everyone,
I didn't realize so much was being left on this post, thank you for so many responses! I really appreciated the idea that you could just say (even though I realize it is not ideal at all) "If you leave your underwear on, I won't work that region"--I actually think that would be the most graceful way to ensure they take their underwear off, as a lot of people leave it on for YOUR sake rather than theirs. But I do think i'm getting better and less concerned about it, and have employed some of the draping suggestions y'all have made (the wedgie one does seem a little uncomfortable). More often if they leave underwear on I'll work over both it and the sheet, which fixes my modesty issues, using the suggested compressions. It's interesting how some people can work under the underwear and it won't seem invasive at all. And then there's those other people.

So much of it has to do with the therapist having a completely caring energy (eureka!).
Thank you again for your support!!!
 
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    Saturday at 🫦❤️🔴🟥♾️𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓢𝓟𝓐♾️🟥🔴❤️🫦 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟴𝟬𝟬-𝟳𝟴𝟴𝟳: Cindy, Niko & Tracy, *nicole tracy cindy Cindy is a slim beauty, 5’4”, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Niko is tall, very pretty, and slim with a sexy body, natural C Cups and long nipples.
  34. Jenny’s Spa:
    🎉🍒JENNY’S SPA🎉🍒 ✅5170 DUNDAS STREET WEST✅ 👌ETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4👌 ☎️(647-893-5196)☎️Call or Text ☎️(437-888-3759)☎️Call Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅GRAND OPENING💯NEW GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥EXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNY’S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥TWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥 💯REAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS💯 🔥TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: Apple😘 - Brand new girl from Taiwan just ar
  35. SugarLoveSpa:
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  36. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Monica ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Wendy ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Lala,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,🏠 address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2☎️4376655510 👄👄🦵🦵🈵🈵👅👅
  37. Moneylee:
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  38. Dreaminn:
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  39. Annie Spa:
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  40. bnwellness_wilson:
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  41. Lulu1980:
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  43. Endless Joy Spa:
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  44. Pink Flower Spa:
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  45. Endless Joy Spa:
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  46. Jenny’s Spa:
    🎉🍒JENNY’S SPA🎉🍒 ✅5170 DUNDAS STREET WEST✅ 👌ETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4👌 ☎️(647-893-5196)☎️Call or Text ☎️(437-888-3759)☎️Call Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅GRAND OPENING💯NEW GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥EXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNY’S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥TWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥 💯REAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS💯 🔥TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: Anna😘- A stunning sexy girl from Hong Kong w
  47. Sparkling Spa:
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  48. Annie Spa:
    🎉🍒ANNIE SPA🎉🍒 ✅7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLE✅ 👌SCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6👌 ☎️(647) 891-9688☎️ ☎️(416) 291-8879☎️ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥🔥 🔥GORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Yoyo 😍is beautiful tall sexy student. She has nice bum and very good massage and has great playful service. Such a beautiful sexy smile. She knows how too please you with her slim sexy body and bring joy and happiness😍Real pictures of Y
  49. Lily Spa:
    ❤️ KAJAL, CAMILLA, SARIKA and KK are here today for your massage needs ❤️ Lily Spa ❤️ 2190 McNicoll ❤️ Scarborough ❤️ M1V 5M2 ❤️ (647) 531-8288 ❤️
  50. Red Rose Spa:
    🌸 We have 7 hot brown girls today 🌸 NINSH, MALIYA, AMANDA, MIMI, ANAYA, KIRAN, SARIKA 🌸 2588 Birchmount 🌸 2 Invergordon 🌸 647-702-8800 🌸 Please visit for a great erotic massage
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