I finally figured it out! Licensing MP's is illegal

[MyLoveYourLife]

I knew something stunk about cities licensing MP's. And I finally figured it out! The licencing of massage parlours is illegal. The municipalities are really licensing criminal activity. They grant massage parlours licences with full knowledge of the prostitution activities that occur inside them.

They thought they found a legal loophole by granting licences with a warning in 'fine print' saying, 'No masmassageplanet.netation services.' But, this 'fine print' would provide a weak defense in a criminal trial. The law is concerned with substance, not form. The municipalities have, with full knowledge, (requiste intent) abetted (encouraged) the commission of criminal activity in massage parlours by granting them licences, that they knew, would be used to commit criminal activity.

The municipalities are thus found guilty as parties to the offence (bawdy house provisions) for abetting the commission of criminal offences. [read s.21(1)(c) in conjunction with s.210 of the Criminal Code] They abetted violations of s.210 of the Criminal Code through their creation of licenced massage parlours. They had full knowledge that their licences would be used for the primary purpose of committing criminal acitivity.

Guilty.

 

[Hamratsn]

^^

massageplanet.net POLICE?


I shall ban you from this board

 

[mikiq10]

However, contemplate the alternative...

 

[GloBee]

I think I understand the jist of your argument...that the government is a bunch of hypocrites (wow! imagine that)...but atleast licensing gives MP's some kind of shelter (even though it is mud & bamboo)...just imagine the alternative...I don't think we should be complaining that the gov't licenses MP's, no matter how hypocritical it is...

 

[betteryawn]

If by "alternative" you are suggesting that there's a realistic chance that major cities like Toronto will make a serious attempt to force all MPs to close, I don't see that happening. At most they'll make noise and take some token actions.

The police and politicians won't admit it publicly, but it's better for them to know where the MPs are and have some control, and have the business operate in a way that doesn't bother most of the general public. It's obviously a very hypocritical situation, but it seems to mirror the attitude of Canadians who can keep deluding themselves into believing the laws are being enforced.

One thing that could force a change, as it did in Australia, would be revelations of corruption among police or city officials, which can be enabled by this type of indefinite situation.

-Also, see the thread about the escort agency owner on trial in Calgary whose lawyer is saying the city knowingly licenses him to be in the prostitution business,
http://www.massageplanet.net.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=99541

and "How cities 'license' off-street hookers" from 2002.

Why can't the 'alternative' be the federal government changing the laws to officially allow what is in practice already licensed by cities?

 

[bort]

The municipalities role in licensing of massage parlours is limited to zoning and hours of operation in regards to the intended use of the zoned area.

IN other words, they can limit their locations to certain areas and thier hours.

Morality and criminal law creations are the sole jurisdiction of the Federal government.

Therefore, the municipality can have no role in the criminal/moral implications of the creation of such laws.

This is where Brampton got caught and their MP law was essentially nullified.

In reality, the local councillors simply do some behind the scenes lobbying of Regional Councillors (who sit on the same council) who in turn talk to the Chief or whoever and ask that the cops make this a priority. The cops cry poor, that they don't have the manpower. The Regional Council makes a few budget promises and Bob's your uncle.

Morality gets a project!

 

[64224mah]

Holy shit, Thank you Haywood for that link.
"How cities 'license' off-street hookers"

It is an amazing critical take on the hypocracy of our Prostitution laws.

Some cut-and-paste Exerpts:

Officially, escort agencies have nothing to do with the sex trade. The same is true of the massage parlours discretely tucked away on city streets.

"The definition of the business doesn't suggest that they are breaking the Criminal Code," insists Lynne Kennedy, a Vancouver city councillor

Statements like that anger John Lowman, a criminologist at Simon Fraser University and a critic of current prostitution laws: "What you have is deliberate blindness, wilful blindness." Almost all escort agencies and massage parlours are in the business of prostitution, he says. "Police know this. Members of the public know this. So when the politicians say they don't know it, my general reaction is that if they're that ignorant of contemporary Canadian life, they should stand aside."

This reality means most politicians who have dealt with the issue of prostitution are guilty of gross hypocrisy, Mr. Lowman says...But these same politicians not only allow more expensive, off-street prostitution to operate freely, they condone it by issuing business licences and taking a cut of the profits in the form of licensing fees.

Municipal governments may even be breaking the criminal law...



What has happened is that prostitution has been legalized through the 'side door' of municipal licenses, instead of through the 'front door' of Criminal Code amendments.

The problem with that is, its illegal. Its a Constitutional usurption of Federal powers, and may also be criminal behaviour in and of itself. ie. municipalities knowingly encouraging (abetting) the commission of criminal offences.

Why can't the Federal government change the laws?

We can only speculate. Not sufficient political pressure, Canadian society is not ready for legalized prostitution, ect.

But they did change the laws. They just changed them in the same 'hush, hush' manner that occurs with prostitution. Police largely ignore it, cities license it, and presto, we have 'legalized' prostitution, without all the public debate.

Control shifts from the Federal government and Courts to the Municipalities and Police. Those in control largely tolerate it, they even license it. But on their whim, they can invoke the criminal law and condemn it. So we end up with an ad hoc system of prostitution governance, administered by the wrong people.

 

[Pompal 09.]

"So we end up with an ad hoc system of prostitution governance, administered by the wrong people."

Yes indeed we do. Especially by the wrong people.

 

[Pompal 09.]

Actually, the licencing of massage parlours is NOT illegal. Most MP are licenced as "holistic centres" BUT holistic centres ARE supposed to be used for holistic services such as aromatherapy, reflexology, etc. Believe it or not, there ARE places in Toronto that DO offer these services and I know because I've been to them. And their services are AWESOME. (Plus, I really did go to aromatherapy class.) So the problem arises when whackers go and licence themselves as holistic practitioners and owners go and licence their massage parlours as holistic centre while everybody is whacking inside. That's how the problem began. "The City" has no right to turn away people's application for a holistic centre because what if that person really wanted to open and operate a REAL holistic place instead of a whack joint? They can't say no to that!! So they HAVE TO allow that person to open. The only thing they can do is AFTER they open, they can send in the inspectors to check to see what's REALLY going on. Then they can try to shut the place when they have enough evidence that it's really not a holistic centre like it claims to be.

 

[Tyler W]

Isn't there some argument to be made about the holistic benefits of orgasm?

Seriously.

 

[Pompal 09.]

That's true!!! Good point!!

 

[Neo Patrick Harris]

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