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Presidential candidates and self employed individuals

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Not sure if it belongs in this section... But

Has anyone studied the positions of our presidential candidates on small business, and especially self employed individuals? A lot of MT's are self employed and there is a number of issues that concerns many of us. Such as:

- Taxes: who is going to lower our taxes and who is going to jack them up. A lot of times all small businesses are lumped togtehr and that may be a 25 employee manufacturing operation and my one person operation that get the same treatment

- I would definitely like to see changes to the Social Security taxes: as a self employed individual I pay BOTH the employee AND the employer portion so I am being taxed twice and I feel it's penalizing the self employed operator who is already strapped for cash

- Health insurance, health insurance, health insurance...need I say more.
I am single so I can't get a policy thru a spouse. Our local Chamber offers health insurance for members BUT the catch is that you have to have employees in order to qualify

- To continue the health insurance subject and as a MT I would like to see the government take steps to promote preventative measures like healthy lifestyle and healthy eating. For example, I have a HSA (health savings account) and you can't use these funds to pay for any preventative treatments. For example, you can't pay for your gym membership from your HSA as the IRS considers it "recreation". Same with massages: per my accountant they are in the "gray area": you have to have a medical reason but you cna't get massages to imrpve general health and wellness.

Also, what is a good way to contact the candidate and has anyone done it and what was your experience? I sometimes feel that poiticians don't know we exist.

I realize politics are an EXTREMELY explosive topic so I am deliberately not saying which candidate I am interested in. I am posting this topic b/c I genuinely want to know where our candidates stand, and not make people on this board fight over politics.
 


Both candidates have websites which contains most of their policies. You can also use their websites to email them. Now...I'm sure the candidate themself won't answer your email but someone on their staff will.
Barack Obama's Site

John McCain's Site


Another thought is to contact you local branch of whichever political party you belong to (or even if you don't belong to it) and they should be able to give you more one-on-one information.

Angie
 
Presidential candidates and self employed individuals

Anastasia said:
Not sure if it belongs in this section... But

Has anyone studied the positions of our presidential candidates on small business, and especially self employed individuals? A lot of MT's are self employed and there is a number of issues that concerns many of us. .

The Tax Foundation provides a comparison tool

http://www.taxfoundation.org/candidates08/

Anastasia said:
- Taxes: who is going to lower our taxes and who is going to jack them up. A lot of times all small businesses are lumped togtehr and that may be a 25 employee manufacturing operation and my one person operation that get the same treatment.

Unless you are considered "politically rich", meaning making over $50K per year, you probably don't pay federal income tax, and probably still get a rebate check due to the refundable Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) and Child Tax Credit, both of which subtract income taxes dollar for dollar and can reduce income tax liability to below zero.

Simply put, the bottom 40 percent of earners col­lectively pay no income taxes, and many actually receive checks from Wash­ington. The little tax bur­den that they pay is in social insurance taxes, as well as excise taxes (such as gas and cigarette taxes).

So for many "hard working families" (I am still trying to figure out what families don't work hard) there are no income taxes left to cut.

Unfortunately, for anyone bold enough to be successful, Barack Obama wants to raise your taxes by repealing the tax cuts already in place.

John McCain has flipped flop, deciding he is now for letting us non-hard working families keep more of our money.

Anastasia said:
- I would definitely like to see changes to the Social Security taxes: as a self employed individual I pay BOTH the employee AND the employer portion so I am being taxed twice and I feel it's penalizing the self employed operator who is already strapped for cash.

BHO wants to raise the cap on the payroll tax for SSN, meaning you pay FICA on all earnings. This is not good for small businesses, many of which report business income on a schedule c or as an S corp. This income would now be subject to FICA

But the reality is, you are not taxed twice. If you were employed, and only paid half your FICA, your average wage would be lower than being an IC where you pay your own. So you pay 6.7% less, but you will earn about 8% less. Most businesses - ours included - pay ICs about 10% more than employees because of this factor.

Anastasia said:
Health insurance, health insurance, health insurance...need I say more.
I am single so I can't get a policy thru a spouse. Our local Chamber offers health insurance for members BUT the catch is that you have to have employees in order to qualify.

You can be an employee of your own S-Corp or LLC to qualify for the plan. Problem is, current tax code counts health insurance benefits to anyone owning more than 2% of an S-Corp or LLC as taxable income.


Anastasia said:
To continue the health insurance subject and as a MT I would like to see the government take steps to promote preventative measures like healthy lifestyle and healthy eating. .

I don't think people will take kindly to being told what to eat, when to work out, etc. Businesses are doing that -- not hiring smokers, rewarding employees who work out -- and they catch and earful and the occasional lawsuit from the ACLU and Trial Lawyers sniffing out "discrimination". If a business wants to do it, more power to them. Don't like it, work somewhere else. If they all do it, get healthy or start your own business. Gov't does not offer such flexible alternatives when they get in the business of mandating behavior.

Anastasia said:
For example, I have a HSA (health savings account) and you can't use these funds to pay for any preventative treatments. For example, you can't pay for your gym membership from your HSA as the IRS considers it "recreation". Same with massages: per my accountant they are in the "gray area": you have to have a medical reason but you cna't get massages to imrpve general health and wellness.

You can thank the AMA for that. Heaven forbid anyone other than an MD can help you be well and healthy.
 


R&R,

Thanks for posting. I found it most informative. I liked that tax comparison. It's a bit scary though...

Great topic!
 


I love this website and it has helped me understand my own leanings:

http://www.issues2000.org/default.htm
 


I don't think people will take kindly to being told what to eat

Well the government already does this, on behalf of Big Ag, in the form of the highly flawed Food Pyramid (http://www.mypyramid.gov/) Their plan suggests I drink 3 cups of milk per day. Disgusting.

I'm pleasantly surprised to see any emphasis on whole grains, and a decreased emphasis on meat... the industry must have failed to donate enough money to the right people or something.

To the OP, if you are interested in this topic, research the Farm Bill... it's hilariously disturbing.
 


This just in...

McCain has proposed eliminating capital gains taxes on small businesses. This is HUGE!

For example...say you start a wholistic medi-spa, and put $100K of your own money in as equity and $300K in debt financing (both bank loans, LOC and your personal money you lend to the business)

In 10 years, you sell the business for $500K. By that time, all of your debt will be paid off, so the sale price of $500K is relative to the $100K investment, or a cap gain of $400K.

Aside from the income you drew running the business to pay our daily expenses, that $400K is the payoff for building a successful business. And very likely, it will be the bulk of your retirement funds since few self-employed folks can fully fund their retirement account options for the full 10 years of the business operation.

Under current tax law (those Bush tax breaks for the rich) you would pay 15% on the $400K, or $60K.

Under Obama's proposal, cap gains rates would be 30%, or twice that so $120K in taxes.

McCain's new proposal would mean your 10 years of hard work would all end up in your bank account -- $400K free of capital gains taxes. You risked your investment, you reap its rewards. And let's face it, a $400K payoff after 10 years is far from being rich, so why should you give 1/3rd to the wasteful gov't (after all, you were paying income taxes on your earnings during the 10 yrs you ran the biz...they got their share)
 


I tend to think more what a president can do for the whole community rather than just for me. I support obama even if it means I will pay more taxes.
 


peacenut said:
I tend to think more what a president can do for the whole community rather than just for me.

This is not just about ME or any one individual. The incentive to create a business is what creates jobs.

What could be better for any community than jobs? No government program is as successful as a job in eliminating poverty, creating a culture of self-reliance and personal responsibility and giving people hope for a better future for them and their children.

The government does not create many worthy jobs -- most of them just eat up your taxes while the dole out the rest of your tax dollars in an inefficient manner. Less than 50% of the $ allocated to social programs actually get into the hands of the recipients.

When citizens know their hard work and risks in starting a new business -- over 70% of new businesses fail -- will result in a more handsome reward for that risk and hard work, they are more likely to take that risk.

To think that cutting capital gains taxes only benefits the individual receiving the benefit is only seeing a sliver of the picture.


peacenut said:
I support obama even if it means I will pay more taxes.

Don't you worry....it will!
 


RelaxandRejuvenate said:
peacenut said:
I support obama even if it means I will pay more taxes.
Don't you worry....it will!
Nope. It's possible that you might pay more taxes, due to your high income bracket. However, I (and most people in the US) would pay less under Obama's tax plan. Looking only at Capital Gains taxes isn't looking at the whole tax picture:

http//www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/a_new_stitch_in_a_bad_pattern.html
 


Blisss said:
Nope. It's possible that you might pay more taxes, due to your high income bracket. However, I (and most people in the US) would pay less under Obama's tax plan. Looking only at Capital Gains taxes isn't looking at the whole tax picture:

Except anyone who has a mutual fund or retirement investment is an investor, and that means over 70% of the American public will be subject to the Capital Gains tax increase.

70% is more than most.

If the Cap Gains Tax increase stifles job creation -- and it does -- then those tax cuts really don't mean a whole lot to someone who does not have a job
 


Isn't selling a house for more than we bought it for also considered capital gain?
 


Even Alan Greenspan, (not exactly a raging liberal and a good buddy of "McBush".... er I mean "McSame"... I mean "MCCAIN".... so confusing..) thinks McCain's economic plan is a disaster and he means a disaster for EVERYONE.

Read all about it in yesterday's headlines.
 


Rose of Sharon said:
Isn't selling a house for more than we bought it for also considered capital gain?

yes, but there is an exemption for primary residence sales -- the first $500K of gain is exempt if you have lived in the home any 2 out of the last 5 years.
 


R&R said:
McCain has proposed eliminating capital gains taxes on small businesses. This is HUGE!
Obama has proposed the same thing.

Anastasia said:
Has anyone studied the positions of our presidential candidates on small business, and especially self employed individuals?
Here's a good article, entitled "Ask an Expert: OK, so who is the small-business candidate?"

http://www.usatoday.com/money/smallbusiness/columnist/strauss/2008-09-15-candidates-small-business-1_N.htm
 
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    𝗧𝗛𝗨𝗥𝗦𝗗𝗔𝗬𝗔𝗧 𝐀 𝐒𝐏𝐀: Fox, Coco & 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝗺𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝗥𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗹[/color] 🅰️𝐀 𝐒𝐏𝐀🅰️, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. 🅰️𝗖𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟳𝟮𝟵-𝟲𝟲𝟬𝟲 𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗲𝘅𝘁 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟴𝟯𝟵-𝟱𝟵𝟲𝟲🅰️ FOX is 26 years old with 34C’s, stands 164Cm tall and weighs 54Kg. Fox is very friendly and can provide a great girlfriend experience.
  35. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at 🌴😎🌅𝓗𝓸𝓵𝓲𝓭𝓪𝔂 𝓢𝓹𝓪🌅😎🌴3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough ☎️𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟮𝟰𝟳-𝟭𝟭𝟵𝟵☎️Cindy & Jenny. Cindy is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best! Jenny has a medium build, nicely curved with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy.
  36. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at 🫦❤️🔴🟥♾️𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓢𝓟𝓐♾️🟥🔴❤️🫦🫦2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟴𝟬𝟬-𝟳𝟴𝟴𝟳: Cindy, Sofia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5’4”, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass.
  37. Red Rose Spa:
    🌸 We have 5 hot brown girls today 🌸 CHASIDY, LUCY, PAOLA, AMANDA, MAY, KIRAN, NISHA, ANGEL 🌸 2588 Birchmount 🌸 2 Invergordon 🌸 647-702-8800 🌸 Please visit for a great erotic massage
  38. Peony Garden Spa:
    🌸3 GIRLS AVAILABLE TODAY 🌸 NANCY: A SMALL PETITE CURVY VIETNAMESE GIRL, NO TALLER THAN 5'2, VERY FRIENDLY, FUN AND OPEN MINDED 🌸 SELINA: A TALL SLENDER ASIAN GIRL, 5'6 AND ABLE TO PROVIDE AN RMT LIKE MASSAGE 🌸 ELLA: A PETITE YOUNG CHINESE GIRL THAT IS A POPULAR FAVOURITE 🌸 PEONY GARDEN SPA 🌸 3477 KENNEDY ROAD UNIT 4 🌸 (416) 335-6093 🌸
  39. Endless Joy Spa:
    ✨✨✨✨✨[GRAND OPENING]✨✨✨✨✨ 💞Endless Joy Spa💞 🎇 (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565🎇10am-2am,New First Day Young Slim Sexy Thai Girl Janice, Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Slim Petite Chinese Suki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie.
  40. Sparkling Spa:
    50 LOCKRIDGE AVE UNIT 8!! INTERNATIONAL GIRLS FOR A VARIETY OF APPETITES!!! MUI PICANTE STELLA IS HERE TODAY!!!☎️(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Line☎️ ☎️(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phone 50 LOCKRIDGE AVE UNIT#8 NO SPA LIKE US ANYWHERE NEAR US
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  42. Sparkling Spa:
    0 LOCKRIDGE AVE UNIT 8!! INTERNATIONAL GIRLS FOR A VARIETY OF APPETITES!!! SEXY SASSY SERVICE QUEEN JENNIFER & KOREAN BLASIAN ALIYAH WAITING FOR YOU!!!☎️(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Line☎️ ☎️(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phone 50 LOCKRIDGE AVE UNIT#8 NO SPA LIKE US ANYWHERE NEAR US
  43. Lily Spa:
    ❤️ KAJAL, CAMILLA and KK are here today for your massage needs ❤️ Lily Spa ❤️ 2190 McNicoll ❤️ Scarborough ❤️ M1V 5M2 ❤️ (647) 531-8288 ❤️
  44. Endless Joy Spa:
    ✨✨✨✨✨[GRAND OPENING]✨✨✨✨✨ 💞Endless Joy Spa💞 🎇 (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565🎇10am-2am,Tonight have New Young Thai Girl Janice after 7:30pm, Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Slim Petite Chinese Suki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie.
  45. Red Rose Spa:
    🌸 We have 5 hot brown girls today 🌸 ASHA, PAYAL PEARL, MONIKA, KIRAN, AMANDA, MALAY, NISHA, SANA, ANGEL 🌸 2588 Birchmount 🌸 2 Invergordon 🌸 647-702-8800 🌸 Please visit for a great erotic massage
  46. SpringGreen.:
    Spring Green Spa - 72 Gerrard St W. 2/Fl - 647-891-0699Today we have 5 girls on wednesday: New Polish gir sasa 💋💋angel- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility CiCi- Exotic beauty with great service and...
  47. SunriseRH:
    WEDNESDAY at SUNRISE SPA: LULU, MICHELLE & SUMMER. Also NEW Girl Lulu after 2pm. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on ☎️ 647-325-8086 ☎️ LULU is a friendly and very sexy Vietnamese girl. She is a lot of fun, and can be wild at times. MICHELLE is a young, curvaceous beauty, 5’2” & 130Lbs, 37DDD-31-41, a trim waist, and a nice butt. Come and be pampered.
  48. Jenny’s Spa:
    🎉🍒JENNY’S SPA🎉🍒 ✅5170 DUNDAS STREET WEST✅ 👌ETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4👌 ☎️(647-893-5196)☎️Call or Text ☎️(437-888-3759)☎️Call Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅GRAND OPENING💯NEW GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥EXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNY’S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥TWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥REAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS💯💯💯 - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Coco😘- A young cute blonde Asian girl maki
  49. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament summer ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2☎️4376655510 👅👅🦵🦵🈵🈵👄👄
  50. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Rose,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Julie ,Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Aris ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 🏠 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 ☎️ 4379857899 👄👄🦵🦵🈵🈵👅👅
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