Sex slaves in Tijuana

[Edward Carson]

FB:

Just kidding Metal, if case you read this. But you know what, I been waiting for years for the housing bubble to bust. I told myself when it does I was going to pick up some cheap property maybe hold it rent it out, and sell it later. But the damn banks never lowered their price on foreclosures even when the houses weren't selling. Now it looks like the prices are just about right, but I'm scared, I think they go even go down farther? So here I am still sitting on the sidelines and spending my money that I was going to use to pick up some cheap deals in the housing market. OH well

Everybody is saying the next 18 months is going to make are break the houseing market.The repo company I work for just gotten 4 new contracts totaling over 4,000 cars.So the economy is going to shit.

 

[holey moley]

Your vast knowlege of the TJ area overwelms me. Im at a loss of words when I listen to your vast knowlege..

 

[iluvaaron<3]

Metalzz now that's a name from the past. I bet he jumped off the roof with the housing market so bad just like they did in the late 20's when the stock market went belly up?

Just kidding Metal, if case you read this. But you know what, I been waiting for years for the housing bubble to bust. I told myself when it does I was going to pick up some cheap property maybe hold it rent it out, and sell it later. But the damn banks never lowered their price on foreclosures even when the houses weren't selling. Now it looks like the prices are just about right, but I'm scared, I think they go even go down farther? So here I am still sitting on the sidelines and spending my money that I was going to use to pick up some cheap deals in the housing market. OH well.

No I know what perceneforum.xxxe of SGs have padrotes, although the SGs themselves tell me about 30% to 50%, and they tell he they eventually wise up and get rid of these guys. Now the guys that say 90 percent, and now there is this new age fool from another site sayings it's 95% I think they are just lumping all guys into that 'padrote' roll, as many of these guys are actually husbands, and real boyfriends of these girls.

These is no doubt that sex slavery exists in Tijuana, and some of these guys when they can't get these girls to go voluntary use force and may even kidnap the girls, but it has to be in the minority. It's just too hard to go around kidnapping young girls and turning them into sex slaves by using terror tactics, and a tiny bit of kindness, where that tiny bit of kindness leads to mind conditions like the "Stockholm system" where the SGs starts identifying with the Padrote, Ala Patty Hearst AKA Tanya in the 70's.

I just don't think the padrotes have the brains to pull this out, although pimps in the state aren't educated either, but techniques are handed down to one generation to another,and their are rumors out there, that training does that place, and it even starts at a young age, where young boys learn to pimp girls...I just don't know.

There are also guys out there that say 'ALL GIRLS ARE PIMPED' with little exception.

 

[Heather D]

Good topic.Hey FB did you ever find out what % of SG have pimps?

Metalzz worte:

The guys driving thru the Alley with the Escallades looking around are sometimes the Padrotes... I usually just smile.


Escallades yeah right you know how much an Escallade cost? Do you think 1pimp ,1 girl can make an payment on an Escallade?{1pimp,8girls maybe can.}
I say they might be drug dealers,clubowner are mongers.

FB worte:

and I never see Escallades in the alley, but I'm not really paying attention to what's being driven in the alley

You find types of cars in the alley ? I saw alot of H2Cadillacs,BMW's,Mercsades,Audi's just driving thourght. When the night shift ends at AB sometime its a car show out in front.

 

[Sludge]

I wrote this a few months back:


The above quote is something I wrote a few months ago regarding SG and the evil 'padrote' the pimp like dude that controls the SGs in Tijuana, so they say, and it gives a little background to the movie review that follows below:
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Did anybody watch the move "TRADE" yet? It's out in the video store and I just watched it. It came out in limited release a few month back on the big screen, and after watching it I could understand why it only had a limited release. I would say the movie is mediocre at best, to down right bad, although it does have some interesting moments, like at the start of the film, where the young boy 17 years old, offers prostitutes from a picture catalog to a middle age gringo tourist, telling the gringo tourist that pussy is better than seeing the pyramids. This of course is the variation of the " you want to fuck my sister scam." that still goes on in cities like Tijuana even today. The Gringo tourist follow the young boy, and course when they get the gringo by himself, the whole gang is waiting for him and rob him of all his money and threaten his life.

The movie goes downhill from then on. A Russian sex ring kidnaps the young boy's sister of 13, and they also get a Polish white girl from Europe
who falls for a work ad, she was HOT, after they kidnap her they show the Russian/Polish girl who is boss, as one of those guy anally fucks her!( very brutal scene)

Because of the age of the girl, subject matter, and need to keep the girl a virgin for a high price auction, they don't do anything to the girl, but that doesn't stop you from squirming and wincing over this whole subject in the movie.

Kevin Kline was the lead actor in the movie, playing a cop looking for his own daughter, but somehow hooks up with the kid to find his sister.

Stupids parts of the movie: One was dealing with corrupt Mexico city cops, and how the Mexican cops would not accept pesos, they only accepted 'green' US money.( of course everyone wants only green American money) the padrote/pimp prays to the Virgin in the movie, yeah I'm sure that would really happen.

They sneak across the border and of course they have to cross the 'Rio Grande" river, just like all Mexicans who get their back wet crossing the river. Then they all get caught by the Border Patrol, and the Border Patrol give the Mexican smuggler back the kidnapped sex slaves, because the very next day, they make it past the border patrol and into the US.

I won't give the ending in case anyone wants to rent the movie, but the ending was pretty good, and had good drama.

I can't believe they based this movie on that famous NY Times article " The Girl Next Door" by Peter Landesman that was about sex slavery, and padrotes bringing the sex slaves into the US, after doing a little time in Tijuana.( see the above quote)

So if your interested how sex slavery from Mexico is suppose to work, see the movie, as a lot of people are convinced the movie and Peter Landerman is very accurate. I myself find the movie, and " the girl next door" article filled with so much bullshit, but I'm in the minority. The current thinking on this site, is padrotes work like this in the movie, and bring the young chicas to work the alley in TJ, however they don't believe the final destination is the United States, they seem to think the alley is the final destination. However guys from this site are in the minority, the current thinking from government sources is sex slavery takes place in Mexico, and is moved into the United States where lot of perverts are

 

[nejifan1234]

I don't think there are padrotes selling drugs in the alley. I've only seen a couple of them in all my years in the alley. I believe they do get training, ie.
how much to charge, what hotel to use, how to answer certain questions, how not to let a guy bullshit(ie. if he isn't taking you up get rid of him). Certainly they don't get training on how to perform oral or services, but just how to handle themselves.

 

[angela b]

So do you guys actually know for sure that these guys selling drugs in the alley are Padrotes too? Guys like that come up to me every so often but I never talk to them, and I never see Escallades in the alley, but I'm not really paying attention to what's being driven in the alley, as I seem to only see Taxi Libres.

In the states I use to see pimps all the time near their girls and even talked to a few, but never in Tijuana. Oh you see a few opportunists in the alley sometimes asking you if you want a girl, but I doubt they are padrotes or even know the SGs, but rather taking advaneforum.xxxe of the newbie gringos and getting a small cut from the girls fee.

In the states the pimps train the girls a little, how to dress, how to act, and unfortunately how to steal. In the alley these girls don't steal from nobody, and have little or no training at all. They all seem to charge the same uniform price of $20 dolllars for gringos, and try to charge $5 to $10 for every request you make other that straight sex.( locals and regulars get cheaper prices)

 

[Georgina.]

Or the drug dealers hanging out in the Zona.

 

[justwatchin]

The guys driving thru the Alley with the Escallades looking around are sometimes the Padrotes... I usually just smile.

 

[Fancypants]

I"m sure there are plenty of sick mother-fuckers in the USA. But one on the points I'm try to make, is guys like this Peter Ladesman, who has already got a movie deal over his article is trying to sensationalize trafficking to the US as some of those numbers seem outrageously high, along with the stories and ages of the girls. I have read government and university article quoting Landesman article as fact. There are many many problems with his article from the NY Time, and the Slate, link below talks about many of them. For example, one girls he quotes liberally from is named Andrea, and she supposedly now suffers from 'multiple personalities .' in other words she is fucked up in the head, yet Landsman, has no trouble quoting Andra as reliable source for his story, and in fact treats what she says as gospel. when in fact many of the things she said, turned out to not have happened!

So before you believe everything you read from guys like Ladesman, be sure to read what the slate says about it:

http://www.slate.com/id/2094646/fr/nyt/

Here is one quote from the Slate:

 

[Envy Is My God]

Who are these sick mother fuckers in the USA who are having sex with children? Mother fuckers should be shot in the head. Sick bastereds.







Published: January 25, 2004


(Page 9 of 11)


She explained: ''They would call you out of the basement, and you'd get a bath and you'd get a dress, and if your dress was yellow you were probably going to Disneyland.'' She said they used color coding to make transactions safer for the traffickers and the clients. ''At Disneyland there would be people doing drop-offs and pickups for kids. It's a big open area full of kids, and nobody pays attention to nobody. They would kind of quietly say, 'Go over to that person,' and you would just slip your hand into theirs and say, 'I was looking for you, Daddy.' Then that person would move off with one or two or three of us.''

Her account reminded me -- painfully -- of the legend of the Pied Piper of Hamelin. In the story, a piper shows up and asks for 1,000 guilders for ridding the town of a plague of rats. Playing his pipe, he lures all the rats into the River Weser, where they drown. But Hamelin's mayor refuses to pay him. The piper goes back into the streets and again starts to play his music. This time ''all the little boys and girls, with rosy cheeks and flaxen curls, and sparkling eyes and teeth like pearls'' follow him out of town and into the hills. The piper leads the children to a mountainside, where a portal opens. The children follow him in, the cave closes and Hamelin's children -- all but one, too lame to keep up -- are never seen again.

Montserrat said that she was moved around a lot and often didn't know where she was. She recalled that she was in Detroit for two months before she realized that she was in ''the city where cars are made,'' because the door to the apartment Alejandro kept her in was locked from the outside. She says she was forced to service at least two men a night, and sometimes more. She watched through the windows as neighborhood children played outside. Emotionally, she slowly dissolved. Later, Alejandro moved her to Portland, Ore., where once a week he worked her out of a strip club. In all that time she had exactly one night off; Alejandro took her to see ''Scary Movie 2.''

All the girls I spoke to said that their captors were both psychologically and physically abusive. Andrea told me that she and the other children she was held with were frequently beaten to keep them off-balance and obedient. Sometimes they were videotaped while being forced to have sex with adults or one another. Often, she said, she was asked to play roles: the therapist's patient or the obedient daughter. Her cell of sex traffickers offered three age ranges of sex partners -- toddler to age 4, 5 to 12 and teens -- as well as what she called a ''damage group.'' ''In the damage group they can hit you or do anything they wanted,'' she explained. ''Though sex always hurts when you are little, so it's always violent, everything was much more painful once you were placed in the damage group.

''They'd get you hungry then to train you'' to have oral sex, she said. ''They'd put honey on a man. For the littlest kids, you had to learn not to gag. And they would push things in you so you would open up better. We learned responses. Like if they wanted us to be sultry or sexy or scared. Most of them wanted you scared. When I got older I'd teach the younger kids how to float away so things didn't hurt.''

Kevin Bales of Free the Slaves says: ''The physical path of a person being trafficked includes seforum.xxxes of degradation of a person's mental state. A victim gets deprived of food, gets hungry, a little dizzy and sleep-deprived. She begins to break down; she can't think for herself. Then take away her travel documents, and you've made her stateless. Then layer on physical violence, and she begins to follow orders. Then add a foreign culture and language, and she's trapped.''

Then add one more layer: a sex-trafficking victim's belief that her family is being tracked as collateral for her body. All sex-trafficking operations, whether Mexican, Ukrainian or Thai, are vast criminal underworlds with roots and branches that reach back to the countries, towns and neighborhoods of their victims.


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[john e]

The Girls Next Door

Published: January 25, 2004

(Page 7 of 11)

Andrea continued: ''There would be a truck waiting for us at the Mexico border, and those trucks you don't want to ride in. Those trucks are closed. They had spots where there would be transfers, the rest stops and truck stops on the freeways in the U.S. One person would walk you into the bathroom, and then another person would take you out of the bathroom and take you to a different vehicle.''

Andrea told me she was transported to Juarez dozens of times. During one visit, when she was about 7 years old, the trafficker took her to the Radisson Casa Grande Hotel, where there was a john waiting in a room. The john was an older American man, and he read Bible passages to her before and after having sex with her. Andrea described other rooms she remembered in other hotels in Mexico: the Howard Johnson in Leon, the Crowne Plaza in Guadalajara. She remembers most of all the ceiling patterns. ''When I was taken to Mexico, I knew things were going to be different,'' she said. The ''customers'' were American businessmen. ''The men who went there had higher positions, had more to lose if they were caught doing these things on the other side of the border. I was told my purpose was to keep these men from abusing their own kids.'' Later she told me: ''The white kids you could beat but you couldn't mark. But with Mexican kids you could do whatever you wanted. They're untraceable. You lose nothing by killing them.''

Then she and the other children and teenagers in this cell were walked back across the border to El Paso by the traffickers. ''The border guards talked to you like, 'Did you have fun in Mexico?' And you answered exactly what you were told, 'Yeah, I had fun.' 'Runners' moved the harder-to-place kids, the darker or not-quite-as-well-behaved kids, kids that hadn't been broken yet.''

Another trafficking victim I met, a young woman named Montserrat, was taken to the United States from Veracruz, Mexico, six years ago, at age 13. (Montserrat is her nickname.) ''I was going to work in America,'' she told me. ''I wanted to go to school there, have an apartment and a red Mercedes Benz.'' Montserrat's trafficker, who called himself Alejandro, took her to Sonora, across the Mexican border from Douglas, Ariz., where she joined a group of a dozen other teenage girls, all with the same dream of a better life. They were from Chiapas, Guatemala, Oaxaca -- everywhere, she said.

The group was marched 12 hours through the desert, just a few of the thousands of Mexicans who bolted for America that night along the 2,000 miles of border. Cars were waiting at a fixed spot on the other side. Alejandro directed her to a Nissan and drove her and a few others to a house she said she thought was in Phoenix, the home of a white American family. ''It looked like America,'' she told me. ''I ate chicken. The family ignored me, watched TV. I thought the worst part was behind me.''

IN THE UNITED STATES: HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT

A week after Montserrat was taken across the border, she said, she and half a dozen other girls were loaded into a windowless van. ''Alejandro dropped off girls at gas stations as we drove, wherever there were minimarkets,'' Montserrat told me. At each drop-off there was somebody waiting. Sometimes a girl would be escorted to the bathroom, never to return to the van. They drove 24 hours a day. ''As the girls were leaving, being let out the back, all of them 14 or 15 years old, I felt confident,'' Montserrat said. We were talking in Mexico City, where she has been since she escaped from her trafficker four years ago. She's now 19, and shy with her body but direct with her gaze, which is flat and unemotional. ''I didn't know the real reason they were disappearing,'' she said. ''They were going to a better life.''

Eventually, only Montserrat and one other girl remained. Outside, the air had turned frigid, and there was snow on the ground. It was night when the van stopped at a gas station. A man was waiting. Montserrat's friend hopped out the back, gleeful. ''She said goodbye, I'll see you tomorrow,'' Montserrat recalled. ''I never saw her again.''

After leaving the gas station, Alejandro drove Montserrat to an apartment. A couple of weeks later he took her to a Dollarstore. ''He bought me makeup,'' Montserrat told me. ''He chose a short dress and a halter top, both black. I asked him why the clothes. He said it was for a party the owner of the apartment was having. He bought me underwear. Then I started to worry.'' When they arrived at the apartment, Alejandro left, saying he was coming back. But another man appeared at the door. ''The man said he'd already paid and I had to do whatever he said,'' Montserrat said. ''When he said he already paid, I knew why I was there. I was crushed.''


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[justmeh1987]

Alot of SG started out with padrotes ,after they figure out the ropes to the business the Chicas dump their padrotes and start working for themselves.
I know alot of SG who had padrotes ,but now working on their own.

 

[Answer Queen]

I would say that more than 90% of the sgs have padrotes. Actually lots of times you will see 3 or 4 chicas working side by side that work for the same padrote.

I remember when one sg was giving attention to one of my frineds, Abraham(he was managing a bar near by) and one of the stable "snitched" and that chica got a beating. Abe often would break down the little "teams" of chicas that work with the same padrote. In the evening their were another group that stood in the doorway of La Cascadas that worked for one guy.

Basically she should give 100% of her money, and he should be the one sending money home to her family. If she can't trust him to do that, then she should not be with him.

This seems like a sensitive subject, but I would prefer to think of it as a woman that works as say a school teacher, that gives her check to the husband and he handles the money. No one seems to think that is so bad, but when a prostitute does it guys seem to freak out.

 

[farahali525]

For the last few months I have been really interested in the Mexican pimps called Padrotes. There are two school of thought in regards to the Padrotes. One sites like this, you'll hear that 90% of all Street Girls SGs have padrotes, and the guys will offer anecdotal evidence of a few guys living in Tijuana, say this is so, and maybe one girl told some monger that the SG next to them has a padrote. They also offer indirect evidence. They see an SG getting out of a car a few blocks away from the alley, and say the driver must be her Padrote. They will also say, how else do you explain a young girl traveling so far from home thousands of miles, where does she get the nerve or the money. They will also tell most young girls don't have that strong of work ethic to work 8 hours a day or more in rain or shine, that it has to be the padrote that forces her to work. ( I use to believe this too, but now I'm not so sure?)

The other school says almost the same thing, except this this group of professional writers, religious groups, and government sources with a hidden agenda of just really doing away with commercial prostitution between consenting adults, but instead talk only of forced trafficking and slavery .......they say, Tijuana isn't the ultimate destination like the guys on these boards do. They say, Tijuana is only a pit training stop, that the real destination is the United States. They say by the thousands that these young girls are forced to perform sex acts with Americans as forced sex slaves, or forced to have sex with other illegal immigrants on dirt floors, on in the bushes out in the fields, and there is no escape for these young women, only death, and thats why they continually need to be replaced!

I been reading a lot on the subject too and it seems like a lot of these stories came from articles like Peter Landesman's 'The Girls Next Door' New York Times article, where he gives away the so-called secrets of the Padrotes. You;ll find Landesman's work in many other article, and he even had John Ashcroft, quoting him. If that's not enough there will be a movie out this Summer, based on Landesman's NY Times article, the movie is called 'TRADE.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/25/m...d=3&ei=5007&en=43dbe6ef76e45af8&ex=1390366800

In the article Landesman writes about the 'Los Lenornes" a tightly organized association of pimps, from a place in southern mexico called Tenancingo, just south of Mexico city, and where 80% of all Mexican pimps come from. Guess what, I also see Tenacingo being named on prostitution boards, and I have a feeling some guys just read this article like thousands others have. The article goes on to say boys as young as 12 are giving a girl about their same age to rape and pimp out in order to learn the art of pimping, Later they travel the Via Lactea, or Milky Way road to Tijuana, picking up young girls as prospective lovers, from bus stations and other places, and trick them into being Street whores in Tijuana on their way to the US.

Well it turns out that many things the New York Times article said can't be proven, and maybe he just got carried away in the investigation. State Magazine, tore the article apart. I'll post of some of it said, and link the article. "Landesman's supporting evidence is vague. Where it is not vague, it is anecdotal. Where it is anecdotal, it is often anonymous, too. And where it is not anecdotal or vague it is suspicious and slippery" I could say the same thing about what's written on prostitution boards.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2094414/

I now have a new hobby whenever I fuck an SG, I always spend some time asking her if she has a padrote, or what about her friends, do they have a padrote. Of course some guys are going to say I'm wasting my time because these girls are instructed so say they don't have a padrote. It may be true because no SG will admit she has a padrote, some do tell me that other girls have them. If fact the last SG I had, told me she did come to Tijuana with a Padrote, but she had to get rid of her, because he was taking all her money, she needed for her family. Others tell me, no way would she have a padrote, that she isn't that stupid. From my experience with pimps and hoes in the US. The hoes wouldn't be so secretive about their pimps, some even going so far as telling me what he does for her. In many cases, hoes get dumped by their pimp, or they wise up and leave him. What makes the relationship with a SG and Padrote so special? Another thing that bugs me, is in the states Pimps try to get more hoes in his stable, but yet these Padrotes seem to be satisfied with only one SG, and why does he bother with these $20 whores, when bargirls can make so much more money in a place like AB, where it's $60 dollars a fuck. If you ask any Mexican prostitute why she does what she does, almost all of them will tell you, they do it for their family, usually a little baby back home with her mother, but the problem with padrotes, is they want to keep all the money.

Don't get me wrong, I believe Tijuana does have Padrotes, and the SGs give him most of the money, but I just don't think 90% of all SG have padrotes. I believe if they have a man in their life, it could really be a real dead beat boyfriend, or husband she is supporting, or something in between, but I believe lot of SGs call their own shots.

Another well known story about Reina, that has been proven to have a few holes in it.

http://www.libertadlatina.org/US_Mexico_San_Diego_Reinas_Story_08072003.htm