tourist down Article

[matelotdougla1]

I'm not sure if posting links to other similar sites is allowed here, although I didn't see anything about in the short "forum rules". To be on the safe side let me just tell you to go to Google and type in "tj amigos".

 

[some half blood]

how do i find tha forum

 

[sweetiepie]

Considering that Silexdawg said that TJA was Vivamex's best source of business I would hope it would remain unchanged. But I really have no idea what will happen.

 

[Boo!]

I wrote:

I wrote the above a few weeks ago, and was going to come back here and tell the owner of VivaMexSpa it would be a big mistake to open a boys club with membership fees in the zona, because mongers will leave you holding the bag, because they are too cheap, and I would have included myself in the bunch as I'm too cheap to pay that fee too.

But suddenly just today at owner of VivaMexSpa that went by the handle of "Silexdawg" announced his goodbye he is leaving VivaMexSpa, to the Mexican female office manager who works with him and is gong to a tropical paradise to do other things that involve another big business venture. He is also the owner of "TJA" large prostitution sex forum, and he doesn't know what he is going to do with that? I shudder to think who he'll turn it over to, as we have a few members on this site who either tried to buy it, or worked closely with management over there.

If I were to guess why Silexdawg is leaving VivaMexSpa, I'm pretty sure my guess would be pretty accurate, as I came across certain things he was doing in a business venture/hobby and some personal things, but I won't do that, and just wish the guy well, as he really does seem to be a free spirit just like his friend who I posted about below, and he seems to really love living in Mexico. There were some things I didn't agree with the guy over, but they weren't major, and they mainly had to do how he was running his site, and allowing others to abuse their power given them.

 

[Jenny K]

That link had some pretty unimpressive interior shots.

A house with no furniture
sheets for window coverings
kitchen with no refrigerator

For the extra $120...
maybe the chica cleans for an hour
they apparently have the cleaning supplies available

 

[jambajuice22]

Wow! Did everybody see the link Killit provided about renting a house in Playas?
What a deal a four bedroom house for $100 dollars a day, and even a better deal, $220 dollars where you get the house and the hot blond chica for one hour!

I wonder what some people will think of next?

http://tijuana.en.craigslist.com.mx/apa/553157974.html

 

[Lady in Red...]

FB:
What the owner wants is a place near the zona, a big place, with sports bar, internet massageplanete, gym, jacuzzis, saunas, steam room, lockers, special events fiestas, maybe a kitchen or BBO area, along with concierge services where fresh young chica, non working, will run around town for you getting your viagra, dry cleanings, maybe tickets to the next big concert for you and that special bar girl, and they will do this for tips. I'm sure I'm leaving out a few things, as I know it will have a big screen TV and other things.

The thing I like about his Ideal is its close to the zone.They have place like this all over TJ and resarito where you can rent a house an throw a party in it for cheap.
http://tijuana.en.craigslist.com.mx/apa/553157974.html

FB:
It sounds nice and everything, but will mongers be willing to shell out their own money for such a place? I guess it will either be a yearly or monthly fee? If it is a one time usage fee, I could maybe see it working, but not really if it's a yearly fee, unless the fee was really cheap like $100 dollars, and I have a feeling it won't be cheap, and probably will run a few hundred dollars depending on how many mongers sign up.

I say its have to be a monthly fee and he have to have alot of people to make money.{I say he needs at least 200 people where he can charge 50.00$a peace and make 10,000$ total from the fee,minus cost of running it.}

 

[CEE LIVES !]

So what does anybody think of a private mongering club. If it's offered on a other site, it will be offered here too I'm sure as they will need more mongers to pay membership fees

What the owner wants is a place near the zona, a big place, with sports bar, internet massageplanete, gym, jacuzzis, saunas, steam room, lockers, special events fiestas, maybe a kitchen or BBO area, along with concierge services where fresh young chica, non working, will run around town for you getting your viagra, dry cleanings, maybe tickets to the next big concert for you and that special bar girl, and they will do this for tips. I'm sure I'm leaving out a few things, as I know it will have a big screen TV and other things.

It sounds nice and everything, but will mongers be willing to shell out their own money for such a place? I guess it will either be a yearly or monthly fee? If it is a one time usage fee, I could maybe see it working, but not really if it's a yearly fee, unless the fee was really cheap like $100 dollars, and I have a feeling it won't be cheap, and probably will run a few hundred dollars depending on how many mongers sign up.

You think the mongers who have the motto, 'Bros before hoes' would be willing to shell out good money for such a place, or will they leave the owner holding the bag, and out thousands of dollars?

To answer Killit's question, many mongers do enjoy each others company when in the zona. Even I agree it's nice to know other guys that share our hobby, but personally I don't hang out with mongers from these sites, but I often went with a buddy, and it does make the trip fun, but since I have a regular life too, it's usually a quick trip to the zona, find two chicas with a rest period between, and then go home.( Oh yeah, I think it would be a boys club only, no chicas, especially sex workers, but then again rules are made to be broken, and I bet guys with favorites will bring her too?)

 

[Pompal 09.]

FB you hit the nail on the head what type of people that go to TJ.

Tijuana tourist seem to be made up of old people looking for prescription drugs, young people looking to take advaneforum.xxxe of the 18 year age to drink alcohol, Japanese Tourist, mongers and a few other groups.


I ask because this owner has another business idea opening up a private mongering club where mongers can hang out! I'll cover this crazy business idea next.

How private this is going to be? {Is this just for U.S.A mongers?}Are girls going to be there also?The thing I don't get is why do you won't to go to
TJ just to hang out with somebody when you can do it in the states?

 

[yakevinhoo63]

Let me get back to what I originally wanted to talk about. My question is does it make sense for Silexdawg owner of ViaMexSpa to expand at a time when the street of Revolution the major tourist drag street in Tijuana is dying as tourist barely visit Revolution, and now these new birth certificates, passport rules threaten to give Revolution a 'death blow' and turn Revolution Street into a ghost town except for a few pharmacies, trinket sellers. and over priced strip bars that in some places don't even have real women?( I didn't even talk about the crime, or is he new Mayor going to clean it all up?)

VivaMexSpa just moved two doors to the south at a larger place doubling the amount of rooms where customers can get a massage or other services. I'm not sure how many rooms it will have, but I read something like going from 7 rooms to 14! That's a lot of people getting massages, does TJ even attract those kind of people looking to go to Tijuana to get a massage as I"m sorry to say Tijuana is not Santa Fe New Mexico, as Tijuana tourist seem to be made up of old people looking for prescription drugs, young people looking to take advaneforum.xxxe of the 18 year age to drink alcohol, Japanese Tourist, mongers and a few other groups.

The price is great $25 dollars for a 45 minute massage. The price is almost as good as Azteca down the street at $25 dollars for one full hour. However, I imagine the new VivaMexSpa will put Azteca to shame in terms building looks ambiance, size, and maybe therapist training. But does ViaMexSpa actually give a better massage and do the girls look better than Azteca therapists do?
I think that question still remains to be seen?

I'm curious I'm going to try out the new VivaMexSpa and see if I get a better experience than I did before. As before it was great for the price between $25 and $45 depending on what I asked for, but basically it was the same service I got at Azteca, which also claims their therapist are school trained, and it wasn't as good as a San Diego Casino that offers spa services, but their prices start at about $100 dollars, but I got it for free as part of their promotion package at the time as I don't pay anybody $100 for a massage unless sex is included no matter how good they think they are.

Personally I think the guy is crazy for expanding at this time, but I don't know what kind of money that place is pulling in, nor if he is getting a good deal in the lease at a time when business on REVO is suffering? They do offer higher prices services than just the $25 dollar massage, and maybe that's where they are making the money? I know I once gave the owner hell for having service for 'drunk mongers' some type method of getting rid of hangovers. For $90 dollars, you would get shot up with intravenous fluids, orange juice, and a massage to get rid of the toxins. I laughed at that therapy, but don't know if they still have it, I hope not? There were a few other things I found strange about the services at ViaMexSpa, but will talk about that another day.

My only question is does this Spa make business sense at this time? It may well be a good move, leasing or buying when prices are down, and adding high end services like Botex which they already have, and maybe later offering liposuction and boob with a good plastic surgeon that contracts out with cheap prices. Or is this a bad business move that will put VivaMexSpa out of business?

I ask because this owner has another business idea opening up a private mongering club where mongers can hang out! I'll cover this crazy business idea next.

 

[Early Cuyler]

May be I am in the wrong line of work, with all these rich people going to baja to get cancer treatments that never work.{I wonder how much she was getting charged for treatment?}

 

[Steve H]

Killit wrote: FB:

Yeah I like that too, hip-hops youths. I don't think this guy pimps from reading his story below. I love that story how the guy gives up the rat race in the states, and now lives in Baja since his wife died of cancer. It seems everybody goes down to Baja to try those experimental cancer treatments that never seem to work, some of the most well known have been Steve Mc Queen, and recently Martin Luther King's wife who died a few months ago.

This BajaBrent does seems a little insensitive about gringos getting robbed and seems to be engaging in a little victim blaming? But I just think he is pointing out some of these people made a bad choice out of cheapness. For example, if somebody walked backed to the border over the deserted bridge at night when you know a lot of bad elements hang out there and then got robbed...you might say they contributed to their plight by making a really dumb choice of walking instead of paying $3 to $ 5 dollars for a cab.( I don't blame the couple of not camping at campgrounds in Baja, as those places are crazy at night and really noisy.)

This guy like the ViaMexSpa owner are paragliders and love to fly in the quiet peaceful sky in the beach area and maybe doesn't like some of the US tourist who come to Baja and TJ to get loud, get drunk, and to get laid in the clubs, or the monger clubs if they are older. Certainly this BajaBrent would get attacked if he posted these same words on that other forum, if would be interesting what the MODs over there would do with such a post?

Here is part of the guys story taken from his website, he is a writer on legal issues, and I believe runs a BB for paragliders? Its unknown if this guy mongers to help him forget his wife death, but knowning who his friends are, it's a good possibility? I have envy of anybody that gives up the rat race in the states, moves to Mexico and lives the bohemian life.


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In 1995 my 34 year old wife was diagnosed with breast cancer. A year later we had liquidated our businesses--- her's a modeling agency, mine a law practice--- sold everything else: lakehouse, cars, boats, club memberships and packed the scraps into a 40 foot fifthwheel. And just like the Beverly Hillbillies, we were off! But our mission was different. We were off to Baja, to enroll my sick spouse in alternative cancer therapies available only in Tijuana and Rosarito Beach, thanks to the FDA.

Although we originally anticipated 4 days of travel, the cold, snow, ice, blizzards, mountains, deserts, thunderstorms, washouts, breakdowns, pushed us to 10 days. Then came the treatment(s).

After several months in countless clinics and therapies, and the battle was a loser. Diane through all her bravery and strife had been stricken with the worse of worse forms of breast cancer...I thought I could save her--perhaps my arrogance---but she believed that too...until the end we believed...but alas she passed away in January 1997.

In spite of the love of my wife, my family and my God, I found myself---alone--- in Mexico and disinterested in returning to my previous life, including my litigation practice. It just didn't seem to be all that it had formerly become: OUR LIFE before cancer. I'm sure many you can relate.

As I suffered through the grief of losing my soul mate, my gracious friends at Baja Seasons, had made it possible for me to park the 5th wheel in the southwest corner spot: RIGHT ON THE BEACH... complete with grass yard, deck, outdoor fireplace and THE PACIFIC OCEAN breaking in my front yard! I awakened each morning to the splendor of the magnificent Baja Beach and quieted in the evenings for the tranquil tequila sunsets.

 

[FL410]

"I'm not saying that these people necessarily "deserve" what happened to them..." --- Bajabrent

Ummm... I believe that's the exact statement Bajabrent is making

 

[soph]

FB: Great article, The best part to me was Hip-hop youths word.{hip-hop youths is a other from of the N-word.} And other thing seems like every gringo down there run there on escort business.

 

[swelou]

Here is an interesting written article I found from some blog. I came across it while researching massage parlors and other businesses on Revolution.

This guy is so RIGHT ON, I feel the same way about the recent crime reports a few months ago, about that older lady who claimed she was raped by two masked ski Mexicans wearing masks who took turns on her switching off while her husband watched; then they than stole $10,000 dollars worth of lap tops computers and other stuff. There were a few other reports too, but from those few reports news articles have been published, republished, then blogged over and over again, and then republished again, as recently as last week I saw the same exact story, told in a different way.

Now I post things like this all the time, nothing new, but what blows my mind is the person who is writing this is a very good friend of Silexdawg, over of VivaMexSpa, and the new owner of TJA the forum dedicated to prostitution in Tijuana covering all aspect, unfortunately the site also spends a lot of time bashing Mexico,Tijuana and the girls as uneducated hoes with the US bred mongers and America being better of course.
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BAJA TOURIST WARNINGS: CRIME WAVE OR RIPPLE?

I have received a heightened number of inquiries regarding alleged "recent" attacks on US tourists traveling in Baja. One incident involves a surfing instructor and his girlfriend who camped on a remote beach 200 miles south of the border; another involved a family car-jacked after the recent Baja 1000. Then there is a sprinkling of other "incidents" of alleged attacks against US tourist, some of which involved assailants dressed/portrayed as Mexican law enforcement.

These reports have been published, republished, broadcast then Blogged over and over again hyping up an anti-baja tourism scandal unmatched in recent history. Some of these reports are unsubstantiated, and many times over-exagerrated as they are published then republished, etc. etc. etc.

Although I sympathize with the plight of the victims of these alleged crimes, in actuality, I do not believe it represents a significant increase over past years. Rather its a publicity feast for US press who love to bash Baja and keep the tourism dollars in the USA: it helps their advertisers.

Admittedly there may have been a couple incidents where bad-guys dressed like cops robbed/assaulted some tourist-somewhere on the Baja peninsula. But other than the anomaly of the attire, this doesn’t constitute a crime wave. Crimes happen to people all the time-everywhere. (these incidents remind me of the CHP officer who was sexually assaulting young girls during traffic stops many years ago in southern CA).

Try hanging out in Rio, Baghdad, LA or Philadelphia; the latter of which, 3 months ago, my cousin, a concert violinist, walking home from a performance with Philly-Orchestra was forced to his knees with a gun to his head by a hip-hop youth. He was robbed and assaulted. Many years ago, I was robbed at gunpoint, as the cashier of our family pizza restaurant, in Delaware, Ohio. Thus, its not a matter of “where”, its just a numbers game: if/when your number is “up” its “up”.

When it comes to the Baja, interestingly, these alleged incidents seem to happen to US tourist as opposed to any other foreign tourists. Admittedly there are a lot more US tourists, but when the score is always 100-0, then there's something else afoot.

I believe its behavior. Some US tourists come to Mexico to party, get drunk,"do" drugs, and engage in behavior they’d never dream of north of the border. They become belligerent, nasty and down right disrespectful to others including the natives. Sometimes the natives don’t respond kindly to these “Gringos” (the term itself means “go home to US”). Other times, its because the Gringos are trying to “score” contraband by fraternizing with seedy characters they’d never consider in the USA.

These situations jeopardize the Gringos who are then so inebriated they don’t grasp their peril or so arrogant that they refuse to recognize their predicament. In either event, they set themselves up. Now you have either an angry insulted native or a seedy opportunist, or BOTH.

Sometimes the bad-guys target the victims at night when the cheap gringos are soooooo cheap they choose not stay in secure campgrounds or hotels or B & Bs because they wanna save $20 a night! It is my opinion that this was the case of the surfer and his girlfriend, camping on remote beach because of their "budget" mentality.

I'm not saying that these people necessarily "deserve" what happened to them, but COME ON....why would anyone camp on a secluded beach in a 3rd world country with a fancy RV full of expensive electronics? I doubt this surfer will repeat this behavior in Costa Rica (his next planned destination).

I believe that Baja is as safe as any other 3rd world tourist destination. Interestingly Baja does not have madmen running around sniping people (Malvo-DC-18 sniped); blowing up court houses (OK city 100 dead), high schools(Columbine among many), or college campuses (33 died last year at Virginia Tech). And there are no jet liners crashing into condos or skyscrapers in Mexico. But you don’t see the US press bashing tourism in Washington DC, NYC, Virginia Beach etc.

In the end, I know of no incidents that have happened here (locally-La Salina) in the last 12-18 months. I have not had a guest hassled other than the occasional traffic stop/money grab, which in many cases has valid grounds or if not is a minor mordida that you can fight if you know how.

Moral of the story: when traveling/partying in Baja, treat the natives with respect. Stay at secure facilities (like my place), and don’t flash loads of cash or bring a bling-bling girlfriends who freak out every time they see a Mexican with dirt under his nails or scold a Mexican for the condition of his dog! Likewise don’t go overboard the other direction and try to fraternize and befriend everyone you meet, especially while under the influence. Use the same judgment you’d use-sober- in the USA.

Its very important to remember that 99% of Baja-Mexicans are friendly and accomodating people. They are proud hard-working simple folk who have no interest in tormenting or harming American tourists. You may come to Baja for the adventure or the beauty, but you will stay because you will find its people gracious, hospitable, and friendly.

Unfortunately for Baja , these "crime" stories continue to be replayed like Seinfeld reruns. And yes tourism is being adversly affected, but YOU will be safer if you follow these suggestions, and hang out with known locals like BAJABRENT---He’ll Hook You Up!!!


Viva Baja-Viva Mexico, fly high and fly safe, cheers, Bajabrent


Posted by BajaBrent

 

[Pompal 09.]

I totally agree, they have repeatedly scammed customers and never cared about repeat business because another group of suckers would be on the way, well that may have changed and now many clip joints will be going out of business.

Between the violence, police corruption getting more press and the passport law I expect things to only get worse for the Revo businesses. Ramos has a lot to accomplish if he doesn't want to lose the day-tripping tourists. I know it is not the main source of TJ's income, but it is an important one.

 

[No.]

I think if the PR program is called 'get your passport' than it seems to me that Baja and TJ are more worried about the new Birth certificate and later passport rules in 2009, as TJ has always had a reputation of being a little unsavory , along with corrupt cops looking for bribes,( who doesn't know TJ cops accept bribes?) but forcing citizens from both sides of the border to provide added documents could be the 'death blow' to some parts of the border cities like Revolution street in Tijuana?

Seems like already we are getting reports that Revolution is dead. I already knew it was dead on weekdays, as it's seems like a Ghost town at night when I go into the city. However, we got a recent report on another site that it was dead on Friday too, but not sure it that was just day time or night time, I bet both time periods?

It seems to me that Revolution problems isn't just with corrupt TJ cops, as I bet the cops rarely stopped people on REVO, but rather got the mongers on the way out of the zona? I think REVO STREET problems are it's own doing? The city hasn't done anything in the last twenty years to make it better for tourist. it's the same cheap restaurants selling over priced food, same old clubs with their loud music, and little dance floor, and the same souvenir shop selling the same crap like Mexican blankets, wallets, purses, and fake or cheap watches along with fake Cuban Cigars.

People don't see the young 18 year old party people on REVO anymore, but the 18 to 21 year olds are still around, it's just most of them went to Rosarito Beach, where they have at least three major large clubs making REVO clubs look like little holes in the walls; these clubs are lead by Papas and Beer. Tijuana also has some pretty new clubs for young people but they are outside of REVO, except for one just opening a few months ago.

The way I see it REVO has to do more the get the American tourist then just having a lot of pharmacies dot the landscape. REVO needs to open up new clubs, nice clubs that will attract the young people back at night after the old people leave with their prescription drugs. It needs to open up a few higher end restaurants or restaurant chains. It should also open up retail outlet stores selling good stuff at discount prices, and for the mongers it should stop the clip joints from ripping off the mongers with the $20 switch and stop with the offers for sex for $300 dollars in places like Amnesia or false promises of sex for another naked $60 lap dance, and if they are going to have tranny clubs like Bambi's, let the tourist know, the girls are really guys, and fire any tranny that tries to steal from the customer.

What I'm really saying it's a bad business practice of treating the visiting gringo as a dumb tourist, and frankly that's how a few restaurants, and a few strip joints, and gender challenged clubs treat the customer from north of the border, and it's bad business.

And then there is the new CASINO, and the 'NEW VIVAMEXSPA that has just opened up. My next topic will talk about the new large ViaMexSpa coving the topic will it survive and proper, or will it FAIL?

 

[pippy:D]

i'm afraid it might go up on the US side though.(the rate$)

 

[snowball45830]

Maybe with that they will lower prices in Ensenada too.

 

[Sabeena]

Here's the article: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20080124-9999-1m24tourism.html

And also there a radio campain on the local stations that are running and news.