Trip Report: TJ - night before thanksgiving

[Vampyre Chan =]]

Alright Amigo, got it, you were trying to caution about falling for the scam from the girls. Thanks. This trait is more with HK girls, I have not seen it in other bars. I.

 

[Game tech]

My friend Bohemian, let me tell you an anecdote of what goes on backseforum.xxxe with the girls.

I was once at one of the clubs, when 2 of my girlfriends sit on my sides... they each show me 200 pesos. They tell me "that asshole paid us 200 pesos each if we French kissed... he paid us for something we do for free..."
And they agian did just that, they kissed right in front of me.

New customer gets to pay, regular customer that knows their ways and would never hand them a peso bill, doesn't pay....

 

[Farty McFart]

Amigomio, nice to see you getting all "Fired" up about the dollar tip ! We may or may not pay heed to Fireballs Some of us would like to smell the hot babes up close an personal For some of us the HK chicas are out of the world probably the cream of Mexico, so we have to give them the dollar for walking by

 

[Maru Ramos]

Ok SMD, this is getting interesting ! I must admit I am low or very low in understanding female interaction dynamics. I think if you treat a girl right (even a Puta type), she will respond good in return.? Are you saying that is not true ? Are you telling me now that I have throw all my "nice" upbringing out of the door ?! Or is there a different set of rules for Civilian Chicas vs the Professionals ? For simplicity sake lets say the girl is pro and not nasty. Do you mean to say the pro girls like the "bad boys" and not the "good guys", are they conditioned to be like that ?
Ps: I am a "good guy" only in shades.

 

[KOTU]

bohemian...

Where are you in your seforum.xxxe of understanding male/female interaction dynamics?

Do you really mean to be asking if a certifiable "nasty girl" will put out more for bad boy or a milquetoast?

 

[the boss]

Alright, I see Amigomio joining forces with Fireballs and Scatmandoo to deny the "Hot" HongKong girls their 1$ tip. They are doing by a "flash" cut, a little bit exposure and literally demanding the 1$. Let me flip this over. If the girls were so Hot why do they "stoop" to "begging" the dollar ! Its like in those seedy U.S. strip clubs where the girl walksaround asking for tip. At least she danced on the seforum.xxxe.
About Fireballs statement on bargaining, I agree with FB and SMD that bargaining is a lifestyle in Mexico and most countries, just like the damn car buying in U.S. !
The statement that intrigues me, is would the girls think "low" of you and in fact give you lesser service than if you would bargain and show her that you are the "man". Would being a gentleman type infact be ironically a disservice to self ?!! Lets hear from mexican cultural perspective from the Mexicans and practical advise from the Americans

 

[the tax lady]

FBs... what the hell is this!!!: "I hate the chicas in Hong Kong walking around asking for $1 dollars, simply because they believe they are hot."

What is that dollar? Payoff? Extort money????

Pay heed to FB. He is doing the right thing acting firm and not pay stupid money that the girls don't deserve.

Just don't tip the girls for nothing.

 

[RayHere]

Hey so far I only lost a few posts. Missing is a post where I said I hate the chicas in Hong Kong walking around asking for $1 dollars, simply because they believe they are hot. When they first started asking for a tip I just gave it, but not anymore, not since being called cheap or worst, which I can't really hear as they are walking away. I don't mind tipping when the chicas do something like dance on seforum.xxxe and shake it, then I'm only too glad to tip a buck or two, but not when they walk up to you, pull on their G-string and motion for a $ 1 dollar tip.

What do you think Bohemian? I tend to agree with SMD because we are in Mexico and in Mexico you often have to bargain things and no one holds it against you, and can in fact view you as a sucker if you don't bargain. In fact in lot of ways buying things in Mexico is like buying a car in the US, where you don't pay the first price offered. I see no difference in AB if she says $70 dollars and you say $60 dollars, or pull out your pesos and pay even less. More then likely the session will be the same..

But then there are others, and I sometimes practice what they do, is your not dealing with a commodity, but rather a girl with real feelings and emotions.You'll be surprised how well she treats you and remembers you when you didn't give her $60 dollars, but instead gave her $100 dollars! You'll own her, and if you see her again, she'll take real good care of you. It's like a high class restaurant you take good care of the head waiter and the boys, and they will take care of you.....not always but most of the time.

So I just it depends on your mongering style, how much you have to spend, and the frequently you visit the zona and like to repeat with the same girls.

 

[Mariah]

Alright SMD, lets take you to task ! interesting statement you have here. Maybe some of us think we are rich big gentlemen and give whatever the chicas ask (well almost), thinking that the chicas will give us better service. Is this statement more true or does what SMD says below is more true ? Lets hear from the monger fraternity, with real live experience !

 

[masdradok]

I was in HK on Friday (11/30) at 2:45 PM. I was looking for a favorita, that wasn't in attendence. Right after I descended the stairs a nice looking flaca pulled open her panties requesting a tip. I immediately pulled out a single and was pleasantly surprised as this chica turned around and began grinding her tight little ass into my groin. I did a full-body fondle as I placed the dollar in her panties.

Her face was only so-so, but in those short 20 seconds she showed me she had the right attitude and the BEST of all girly goods:

A tramp stamp and a shaved pussy.

Even though I had finished my trip's first session less than an hour earlier, little henry was telling me he was eager, ready and willing to go for more perrito with this hot young thang who gave her name as "Angelica".

After confirming she went arriba, I offered her 500 pesos.

"Oh no, eightly dollars" she replied

"Seis cientos pesos?" I countered

"Setecientos pesos" she replied as she held up seven fingers. And that became the fee (700p).

I believe that by initially offering her 500p instead of asking her "how much" I avoided a possible $100 quote. I also don't believe that she was offended by the haggling over the price of her ass. Price negotiation is very common in everyday situations in Mexico. She didn't seem offended, especially where it counted most (in the room).

I tend to think many chicas are more likely to view mongers who accept high quotes with no negotiation as suckers (they don't respect). I laugh my ass off at guys say that its poor ettiquite to negotiate with Mexican providers - it's like they don't get it at all.

 

[Trigz T]

Went back to TJ Saturday after thanksgiving - around 8:30pm.

AB was packed - typical action - hotties all around. But muy caro for my budget that night.

CC was relatively slow (compared to AB)

HK - interestingly, my favorite girls here hadn't arrived by 9pm (as they had on Tuesday night). There were 1 or 2 hotties at 9pm. We circled back around 11pm and my favorites were there. However, i wasn't in the mood to spend $60.

So, hit the street for a BJ - negotiated everything upfront (thanks for the tips guys!!) - and got 'sin ropa' --- for $25 + $5 for room.

 

[Pompal 09.]

I was down there thanksgiving night, and it was a little more packed then a usual Thursday. I had a few buddies there the night before and they and some of the chicas told me it was quite busy on Wednesday.

There seemed to be a shoreforum.xxxe of alley rats this time however, making me quite sad. So I just picked one I had already had a BJ from before, and this time went for FS; pretty good, sin ropa + todas positions + bj $30, very snug and warm cozy pussy. Probably going to repeat.

Walked around, noticed some new talent in AB and CC, but couldn't decide, so I walked around some more...

Ended up back in the alley and became afflicted with an instant spontaneous erection, so still not able to decide, I just grabbed Carla, who I've probably already had 3-4 times. ...Very true about negotiating upfront... I grabbed her so quick that we did not negotiate anything, and when we got to the room, I told her I just wanted a naked HJ. Im not sure if she didn't remember me or was just trying her luck, but she actaully asked for $45, to which I quickly gave her a look of "do you think you are talking to an idiot?" I gave her a 20 and she wanked away... Not bad service but Im probably done with her as she has actually gotten to tall for my taste, I think she was at least 3 inches shorter when she was 18 about 2 or so years ago.

By now there were lots of hotties in AB but my friend was ready to go, so I just went for another session with a favorita. (good as usual)... So really no new girls for me this time, but still a good run.

 

[Kerensa]

Overall this is good advice. Especially regarding negociating with street girls and what is "the going rate."

Chicas in Hong Kong usually want more money than chicas in most other bars. Yes, many are hot. But there are many hot chicas in AB, CC, etc. that will accept less. Why HK chicas typically want more than "the going rate" is something I've never understood--but that's the way it is.

 

[ay4uzzxx]

I have been quoted $100 for a session by two different chicas in HK. Obviously I took neither of them upstairs.

As an experienced negotiator for TJ chica services, I believe the best approach is not to ask a chica her price - but instead to make her an offer. Not everybody agrees with my philosophy, and especially the fact that I tend to make initial low-ball offers, but I believe it works best.

For example I have made offers to only two HK chicas over the years. I offered a flaca chica who gave her name as Crystal 600 pesos for an initial session. And I made an initial offer of 500p to young spinner Monica de Mexico City. Both of these chicas accepted these initial offers. They also earned repeat sessions (at the same prices).

I previously posted some advice about negotiating with Street Girls recently. Some of what I wrote follows:

When you return to La Zona you might even be able to get a better financial deal from these lovely street girls on the street.

The key usually is negotiating the price and services while standing on the sidewalk before you go into the room with street girl chica. Often you can get all or most of the services you likely want for $20 or 200 pesos plus the cost of a short-time (15 minute room rental, generally $3 to $5).

All the chicas will use the term "fucky/suckie" to mean a blow job and fucking. "dos positions" or "tres positions" will clarify that you want to fuck her in two or three positions during your session. And "sin ropa" means that you desire her to get completely nude during your session.

Often with street girls if you only determine the price to session her (like agreeing to $20) the street girl will accept that for only fucking in one position (generally missionary) where she only removes her pants or skirt and keeps her top and bra on the whole session.

The common trick used by many street girls on gringos is to then charge you extra in the room ($5 or $10 extra each) for removal of her top... each extra position... or a BJ. But when you negotiate for all these services up front on the street, the SG generally will not try to add onto her fee during the session (I say "generally" because most, but not all street girls will negotiate in good faith).

Generally if you go into a bar and solicit sex from a bar girl, you will not need to negotiate the "sin ropa, fuckie/suckie and multiple positions" as they customarily are provided by most bar girls without prior specific negotiation. A typical bar girl session will be for 30 minutes in TJ at an adjacent hotel. Hotel fees tend to be around $12 and the bar chicas typically want $50 to $60 for the half-hour sex session.

My recommendation is that if the bar girl wants more than $60 for a session, or the street girl wants more than $30 for a full service session you are best to politely decline and move on and consider another chica (many will go for less than the maximum fees I've detailed).

 

[AK Pride]

Trip Report:

Arrived in TJ around 8pm - went to that total dive bar in front of Adelita's - threw back 2 Tecates w/ fellow monger ($2 per beer). Hit the street around 8:30pm (probably a bit early).

Did a couple laps around the neighborhood (Adelita's street, Coahuila St., and the next one up).

My buddie picked up a SG on the street where Hong Kong is. 6.5/10 She said $20 + $5 for the room. They went inside and was then told it was $15 for the room. He only had a $20, but they said they'd give change afterwards.

They go into the room, she then says it's $30. He hands it over. She takes off her skirt and tells him to fuck her. He starts - then asks her to remove her top - she replies "$10 more". He doesn't insist. He then asks her to change positions - she replies "$10 more". So, he just finishes her off MP and leaves. They actually gave him his $5 in change for the room as he left.

Lessons learned: negotiate up front in more detail - "sin ropa" - "varias posiciones". Overall, a nice way to warm up the night - a $45 fuck, all included. Not terribly gorgeous girl, not GFE, just a quick down and dirty fuck at a great price.

We swing through Chicago Club, but it wasn't happening yet. A fellow monger said it'll pick up around 11pm.

Then we go to Hong Kong - and its happening. Good action. Every girl i tip $1 gives me a quick kiss on the lips. Very cool. I go nuts for this girl who looks like Jessica Simpson (9/10)

I ask Jessica Simpson girl for a private dance. $20 for private dance in a closet. She pulls down her bottom and leans over - she looks totally bored. She says $60 for FS, $40 for BBBJ. I realize that I only have $20 (duh!, stupid, always make sure you have enough cash) - and i ask what i can get for $20. She says she'll suck for a minute, and make out with me and let me fingerbang her. I go for it - but it was so fast and cold that i was happy i didn't have the $60 for FS because she was obviously going for volume that night (and i later saw that she was in high demand).

Lessons learned: besides obviously having enough $, I think HK was a great early night spot - friendly girls. Definitely not worth going for the FS at those rates --- $20 entry + $60 FS = $80 for fucking her in a lap dance room. I would have much rather blown $70 at Adelita's for a 10/10 smoking hot chick and taken her up to the room.

Questions: Has anyone else had experience in HK? If so, what rates were you quoted?