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Two years after L4/5 discectomy

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Hi, I am totally new to this, can anyone please advise.
I injured my back as a teen, 30 years ago, recurring back problems ever since. Only had leg pain before pregnancy at age 29, no back pain for five years after pregnancy. Then approx. twice yearly , what I was advised by chiropractors to be muscle spasms in left lower back. Episodes of the years became more frequent, have seen more chiros, advised twisted pelvis, given heel lifts, no change, seen physios, other osteopaths. Basically spent fortunes. In the end paid privately to see neurosurgen and paid for own MRIS. Advised quote
L4/5 loss normal disc height and T2 signal. Broadbased disc protrusion indenting the thecal sac. Bilateral facet disease resulting in moderate narrowing of central canal.". The surgeon recommended discectomy. I trusted him. Two years on, still not back at work, no old back spasms. but pain in left leg and numbness, loss of feeling in left arm and hand, continual lower back bain, and can only sit in proper position for 20 minutes, before needing to lay down. I take eight neurofen to ge me thru the day otherwise would be house bound. I have been referred the pain clinic. Need to go back to work. Sorry so long winded. Has anyone out there experienced anything similar. Very depressed, am worse off now than I was before.
Thanks in advance.
 
Unfortunately lissy, you are amongst kindred spirits on this forum, take time to look through the posts and you will see that you are not alone!
You will find solice, support, help and positive & practical suggestions from other Members who have suffered the same as you or 'worse' and understand your situation all to well.

New, different or worstening pains developing after surgery are not uncommon, the possible causes include, but are not limited to:
Wrong diagnosis.
Wrong operating area.
The destruction or damage of healthy tissue, nerves, muscles and bone during the procedure to gain entry to the working area.
Poor quality of decompression procedure itself.
Debris left in spinal or foraminal canals after the Procedure.
and so on.

Your left sided pain would suggest to me that you 'still have problems' at your L 4/5 level (posterior left), because this is the level where the sciatic nerve leaves the spinal column and goes down your bottocks & thigh and on to your left leg. However, if the pain and numbness in the left leg are in the back of the leg (like calve muscles) you my have problems at your L 5/S1 level instead, or as well as.

My personal advice would be, to find, commision and fund another private (second opinion) post operation MRI, to be carried out at an MRI Centre which is based as far away as you can physically manage and far away from the financial influences of your local trust/board area. Try:
Loadstone, BMI, Bupa or Spires.

There is also an up to date MRI machine in Gloucester, which is a state of the art 'doughnut type' machine instead of the tunnel version for those who are clostraphobic. The last time I looked it seemed quite reasonably priced.

The Loadstone MRI Centre that I used, not only reported on findings of their new MRI, but they also reviewed my 'original NHS MRI' and reported on the differences between the 2 Scans & between the 2 written reports which gave me a good (before and after) picture of my condition. You can request a copy of these scans and reports usually for a small fee (ยฃ10-ยฃ20)

Just a word of warning. you should only be taking a maximum of 1200mgs Ibuprofen per day, if you take any more on a regular basis they could cause serious problems. Be careful and get advive from your GP or pain clinic, perhaps they can proscribe different tablets to make up difference.

I hoped this helped.

Best wishes

SPINELF
 
hi spinelf, thank you so much for your help, and advice. going down the second opinion route was my gut feeling too. I know I shouldnt really consume so my anti flamatories, my next immediate port of call is to get some relief from the pain clinic, hopefully via injections. I have read a good deal of the threads and I know that there are numerous people alot worse off than myself, but as you can appreciate I never thought I would be worse off than before the op. I feel butchered, I will take all your advice on board and keep you informed. Thanks v.much again.
 
Lissy, I would ask your gp for a pain management clinic appt. They will be able to give you better pain control and probably take you off the Ibobrufen and onto a better anti inflammatory. Take alist of questions with you when yo ugo see the gp too, they should be able to offer other meds that will help whilst you are waiting.

{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} to you xxxxxxxxx
 
Lissy,

Good that you have found this forum, there are some really kind hearted people on here, Spineelf and Cassie will give you great advice and make you feel less isolated - good people and they really do know what they are talking about too!!

Hope you get some positive action soon,

Essexboy.
 
Essexboy, you are totally right about these pages, they have a wealth of information and are a lifeline with so many people that understand because we are all going through similar things.

Take care xxxx
 
Thank you essexboy, you are too kind!

Best of luck lissy, come back soon and let us know how you got on!!

Mery christmas

spinelf
 
Thank you to you all for most kind words. Sorry not logged on since Dec.
PC problems mainly.
Am off to Pain Clinic soon - going to be very long winded I fear, to start with they want to look at my tens m/c and see if they have better one etc. But I have been put on waiting list for an injection in the meantime.
Also told to take Amitripylene for better sleep, but no change there.
Am also going to see GP next week for meds review, as neurofen now letting me down. Am hoping just the cold weather, and not getting any worse (if that is possible).
Has anyone had any problems with numbness in their arms following surgery. They have ruled out not coming from neck (as this knackered too) after MRI results.
Regards to you all.
 
Hi Lissy, its nice to see you back on thread! I hope you are well.

I hope you had good advice from Pain clinic.

I found that when I take amitripilyne (20-30mgs) at 5 - 6 pm, I get 'dopey' at around 8 - 9 pm and 'dog tired' at 10 pm. After a light pre-bed exercise, I have a good night sleep without experiencing to much 'morning dopeyness'

Numbness in the arms and hands would suggest to me a C 6/7 impingement, as these levels are where the nerves travel from down from the spinal column to the arms and hands. This may be just because of muscle spasms. If you are seeing a Osteopath or similar Therapists, ask him/her to try and release any tightness in that level, I find it works for me.

Best wishes.

SPINELF
 
Dear Spinelf,
Thanks for your reply. I have had previous MRI on my neck and these show no abnormalities, have been told all wear and tear. The pain clinic want me to take two amitripylene now and the my GP wants me on different pain killers. Have tried Tramadol, but spaced out and sidky. Have been given Codipar to try with diclofenac, but hate paracetemol as makes me feel sick and constipated. Dont really want to go on codine either. Can you suggest/recommend anything else.
Am trying the Tramadol again, but only taking half the dosage. Still a bit dopey, but am going to try and persevere as they did work for pain releif.

Hope all good with you and that you are having a good weekend.
Regards
Yvonne
 
I'm glad your neck shows no abnormalities, I would in that case, still reccomend a visit to an Osteopath or other massaging therapists to try and release any spasming reactive muscles in that area by techniques such as butterfly lifts. It works for me!
(I have this problem its a stuburn pig!!)

Regarding the tablets Lissy, have you seen the pain clinic yet?

I sticking to paracetamol, ibuprofen, codiene phosphate and 10-25mgs of amitriptilyne at 5-6 pm, because everything else makes me dangerously dopey or gives me a rotten stomach.

Take care.

SPINELF
 
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    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Sofia & Tracy. Cindy is on VACATION๐Ÿ˜ข, and is expected to return around April 7๐Ÿ˜. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass. Sophia can provide top notch bbbj & cfs, and remains famous for one of the best doggy position views. A must see.
  33. Sunrise Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿ’„Crystal is here Today! Call/Text: (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿ’ฆ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ~ Drop In Anytime - Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
  34. Sparkling Spa:
    โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEEN ZOE NOW AND MUI CALIENTE STELLA AVAILABLE TODAY AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅ
  35. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 7 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MAY, SARIKA, SANA, AMANDA, ASHA, MALIYA, EVA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  36. Bellagio Wellness &Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’— โ„๐”ธโ„™โ„™๐• ๐•„๐”ธโ„โ„‚โ„ ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ MARCH 28th , ๐“ฃ๐“—๐“ค๐“ก๐“ข๐““๐“๐“จ ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 707-6866 ๐Ÿ•™๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸOpen 10:30-10:00๐Ÿ—บ#33-160 East Beaver Creek ๐Ÿ—บ 7 Rms ๐Ÿ›๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸTable Shower(TS)+Massage 2hr $120*,TS & massage 1hr $90, ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ$40/50/60 for 30/45/60min ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸAttendants: We have 6๏ธโƒฃ today ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ†• CHERRY ๐ŸŒน CECELIA ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ†• SUNNY ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ†• SOPHIE ๐ŸŒน ๐ŸŒนERICA ๐ŸŒน LUCY ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ NEWSFLASH ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ & ๐Ÿ†• SOPHIE & ERICA & ๐Ÿ†• SUNNY & CECELIA & ๐Ÿ†• CHERRY โ€˜ s BACK ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ TODAY ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€
  37. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅJAV MODEL CHANEL AND SEX QUEEN ZOE
  38. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ KAJAL, CAMILLA and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  39. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on wednesday๏ผš New Spanish bunny ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Diana - Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility CiCi- Exotic beauty with great service and attitude kk- Spunky fun in a nice package new litina buny Call...
  40. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡Young Sexy Slim Chinese Kiki, Sexy Chinese Abie & Young Sexy Chinese Jessica, Slim Chinese Lisa
  41. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Alice ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  42. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Julie ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Nina ,Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Aris ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  43. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Kelly๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ’•is beautiful young student, busty with sexy body and provides very good massage and excellent service. So friendly and very sexy. Ivy โค๏ธ is new girl in our branch, shy and sweet but also very vocal and needy, she demands your happiness
  44. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 7 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, MONIKA, RAVEN, AMANDA, DELILAH, PRIYA, SANA, EVA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  45. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅJAV MODEL CHANEL AND SEX QUEEN ZOE
  46. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, we have young 4 beautiful girls are working today , sweet new girl Amy and pretty GFE Ella, cute open mind Lina and friendly Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  47. Peony Garden Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ2 GIRLS AVAILABLE ๐ŸŒธ EMILY: A CURVY PETITE THAI GIRL THAT IS VERY FRIENDLY AND SPEAKS FLUENT ENGLISH, VERY OPEN WHEN IT COMES TO SERVICE ๐ŸŒธ YOYO: A YOUNG SLIM REAL SCHOOL GIRL THAT IS NEW TO THE BUSINESS, SPEAKS FLUENT ENGLISH AND VERY FRIENDLY TO TALK TO ๐ŸŒธ PEONY GARDEN SPA ๐ŸŒธ 3477 KENNEDY ROAD UNIT 4 ๐ŸŒธ (416) 335-6093 ๐ŸŒธ
  48. Sunrise Health Centre:
    Amy & Michelle are in Today! Call/Text: (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿ’ฆ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ~ Drop In Anytime - Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
  49. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธKelly & Kiki. Kelly is slim and attractive with very slight curves, a nice bum, and rockinโ€™ services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services.
  50. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Sasa is a slim & sweet Korean lady, about 5โ€™4โ€ with C Cups.
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