Bareback in TJ ?!?

[mom of 2]

Let me get this straight. I BS about something you brought up? I'm careless about what I write? You are the only one here who has stated: "I've never read about a documented case where a man was infected by a woman when receiving a bbbj." Then you wrecklessly insinuate I made a statement where it has been documented specifically to this activity. I said I will try to find a study that can answer your question.

BTW I have given you many leads why you haven't read anything like this. If you can't connect the dots that's your problem. There are several things that tell me you don't understand the virus or the facts just don't get through to your head. I gotta be honest your post has me confused because you are saying that I answered something that in reality you answered for me. You put words in my mouth and that pushes your buttons? Man that's a little comical.

What the hell do I have to do? Take you step by step with HIV? All you have to know is that HIV infections have occurred via oral sex. If you think about all the possibilities you would know which ones are the obvious ones that carry "more" risk than others.

BTW I been very careful with what I write. I try to be as truthfull as I can. I don't over do it eventhough I've written a lot in my first year. All I can say is that everything I've posted is pretty darn accurate and reliable.

 

[Maricella Sierra]

I certainly accept that it is possible for a man to contact HIV by receiving a BBBJ.

But I also correctly assert after through, diligent reading (as of several years ago) that there were no documented cases yet of this happening.

My discussion with you in this thread began when I contested your incorrect assertion that these cases/incidents had been documented. Yes, you have backtracked from your initial assertion because I have forced you to learn this fact.

I would not say that both statements are the same. The first statement is not inclusive of both receiving and performing. The fact that you believe they are the same is a good example of your carelessness with what you repeatedly claim are facts.

BTW: You wrote this in an attempt to re-write your history of your prior assertions (see below) that transmission of HIV from a femaile to a male via BBBJ are known to have occurred:

Your subsequent flipping of this post (to backtrack and say you never said there were documented cases of HIV transmission via BBBJ from female provider to male recepient) was your typical bullshit.



That you write too much-without thinking or being accurate.
It makes your words both tedious and meaningless.


I think you are just babbling garbage oftentimes.

Amen

 

[Pompal 09.]

This is from the Avert site.

"Are there any individual documented cases of HIV transmission during oral sex?

While it is very difficult to ever know how HIV transmission occurred, according to a factsheet on oral sex produced by the CDC in 20005, there have been a few documented cases of transmission during oral sex. These have occurred in both receptive and active partners during fellatio, cunnilingus and anilingus."

Can't you read between the lines? BTW is difficult to know how transmission occurred. Just like it's says in this answer and like I've said before. Any expert or doctor will have a hard time pinpointing where and how transmission occurred. I'm not weasiling my way out. I'm just stating the facts.

You seem to accept that it's possible that a man can get HIV by getting a bbbj from a woman that is HIV+. But you don't accept that it has happened because you haven't read that this scenario has been documented. This makes no sense at all.

If we go back to my experience with the civillian. I almost missed it that she was bleeding from her mouth. It wasn't obvious. I don't think she knew she was bleeding from her mouth. Had she infected me with HIV I have no doubt in my mind that it would have been documented as vagina to penile transmission because this method of transmission has a higher probability. But there would have been no way to know that she had already infected me during oral only that transmission occurred.

Come on ScatmanDoo34 just because you haven't read that a man has been infected by getting a bbbj by a woman doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I haven't read it specifically either but I can read between the lines and I have no doubt it has happened. What are you trying to prove anyways? That it hasn't happened or that it can't happen? Which would be ridiculous.

 

[Zeb]

I knew you would fail.

I even knew you would be too proud to admit you failed...
and try to weasel out of your pledge.

 

[Coach S]

You have to keep in mind that is so rare for transmission to occur via oral. Newly infected individuals often don't even know how they got the virus. And when a man and a woman practice oral they very likely will do other things like have sex. So is very hard to know exactly when infection occurred if it occurred.

Something I've shared before is that a civillian once gave me a bbbj and I noticed that she was bleeding from her mouth. It was an ugly sight. I noticed it well after I could have probably done anything about it had she been HIV+. She didn't have HIV but the conditions were right for infection to occur. For the record I also boned her bb and it was very difficult to see that she was bleeding from her mouth. I'll go on a limb and say that a man has caught HIV via bbbj. There's no way this hasn't happened. All I can say is good luck to everyone that chooses anything bare back.

 

[genisjose]

I guess I need to repeat myself:

 

[IslandArtiste]

Scatman... please.
You can get/give an STD (including HIV) if you are performing any form of sex act.

Period.

Of course that doesn't mean you can get it, but you can and you will if you think you can always beat the odds.
So by playing a fool against a fact, that doesn't mean you are not going to get it.

Maybe you haven't and you will not, but that does not minimize the truth that others might.

So play a blind eye against the facts and keep saying that no one gets a STD including HIV.

You are a walking/talking contradiction to what really happens on the streets.

 

[Cali]

I said that HIV transmission do happen via oral. I also said that HIV transmissions do happen when receiving and performing oral. Both statements are true. You can even say that both statements are the same. Is rare to get infected this way but it can happen and it has happened. If there was no risk or if it hasn't happened this way studies would say that HIV infection from oral sex would be 0% chance probability of infection by now.

Conditions need to be right for HIV infection to occur. I say this because maybe you don't know this but do you know that HIV infection has happened by way of kissing? Deep french kissing most likely but I'm not sure. I mean what are the odds of that? Compare any oral sex activity with kissing and you would think that kissing is not even in the same ballpark.

Maybe I don't understand everything that is said in this forum. Maybe I don't understand what I say in this forum at times. But I do know about specific subjects/topics. BTW here is more useful reading.


http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/oralsex.htm

http://www.avert.org/oral-sex.htm#refs

 

[Angela M]

I clicked on the link you provided and I read the specific question and answer as you suggested.

I don't think your case was made.

It states "there have been a few cases of HIV transmission from performing oral sex on a person infected with HIV."

Goodquestion: You write a lot on this forum, but I wonder if you really understand a lot of it. Do you understand that the above CDC statement does not make the assertion of any cases of HIV transmission from receiving oral sex via BBBJ from a person infected with HIV?

I concede that at the start of the CDC answer, it is stated that "it is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through performing or receiving oral sex" but that is only a expression of the underlying theories of possible manners of transmission. Additionally, that particular opening statement is not specific to BBBJ, as it includes oral sex performed of a woman's vagina or performed on someone's anus.

I also concede that down further in the body of the answer, the CDC further states: "If the person performing oral sex has HIV, blood from their mouth may enter the body of the person receiving oral sex through
the lining of the urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis)"
But this statement is also expressing theoretical possibilities. It does not assert that this type of transmission has ever been documented.

Goodquestion: Don't take more away from the CDC than what they are actually asserting.

 

[Turkey Man]

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/transmission.htm

This can certainly back up my assertions. Read the question can I get HIV from oral sex? Is from the CDC website so you know is a trusted source. I will try to find studies that are specific to your question.

But I don't know if I need to since the CDC is saying that HIV transmissions do happen when receiving and performing oral sex. But none of us need to worry much since this way of transmission is the least risky of all sexual acts. Is not even recommended to test yourself after receiving or perfoming oral.

 

[Lord_Darkclaw]

You make this assertion twice in your last post.

Can you back that up?

I've never read a study or confirmed instance of HIV transmission from a woman to a man exclusively by BBBJ contact.

If you can document your assertion...
I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[Dreamily]

Well female to male transmission/infection of HIV is lower whether it be oral or full service. We are the lucky ones. Of course if there are no cuts, bleeding or sores in the mouth or genital area. It holds true for std's as well but they are easier to get. So our advaneforum.xxxe here is not by much.

I read one study conducted in a Latin American country where one partner was HIV+. I don't remember where. They used condoms when they had sex but used no protection for oral. At the end of the study there was zero infections. But HIV infections do happen via oral(bb) with odds being low though.

The thought of getting a bbbj in TJ is very intriguing. You know ride on the "wild side." But I don't know. That's why I've mentioned before that I'm interested in a TJ escort. That way there would be no turning back. If I asked in La Coahuila for a bbbj and then protected full service I know I'm not going to put any effort to make this deal.

Although I do prefer getting a bbbj from a civillian and covered full service. It's dumb because I don't know where she's been. But then civillians don't do cbj.

 

[oldtimekid]

GQ

I liked your post and generally agree with it. Much safer to utilize condom for all aspects of sex, fs, blowjob, etc....

However, I tend to prefer condom with full service and uncovered for bj.

I believe that the risks of contracting stds from unprotected oral sex is low from girl to male. (assuming of course i have no open cuts on my penis and female's mouth is clean)

Anyone here tend to practice condoms for full service and then uncovered condoms for bjs???

What are you preferences with whores?

Of course, bareback everything is the best feeling compared to condom use, but why risk it?

 

[Tasha Posey]

As Firm789 said this is one of my favorite topics as well. And a great topic. I don't know if it will ignite a more thorough debate. But let me just add to the topic. I hope this doesn't encourage more mongers to go bare back. I'm actually against going bare back but with what I'm about to say you guys probably think otherwise.

Let me say that going bare back is not as insane as it sounds. Jumping off a a plane without a parachute is insane. This scenario has no possibility of survival. Maybe but is not realistic. If you go bare back on a chica you will still survive even if she infects you with HIV. The insane part will be to not check yourself and if you know you are infected with HIV that you don't or stop taking your prescriptions. Now those are insane. Even if the chica does have HIV it doesn't mean she will infect you. These things have happened where one partner was HIV+ but still didn't infect his/her HIV- partner.

Now me I've never had an std in my life. But there's still time for that I suppose. I've never gone bareback on a ho. No bare back bj or fs. Only bare back ball sucking(latina performed on me) if you see the East LA thread. And DATY. I've actually been turned down for bare back bj and fs every time. I'm not kidding. I don't make any kind of effort to make a deal because I'm not interested at all.

For me the most important thing in this hobby is longevity and being healthy. I wouldn't want to end up in the injured reserve for lack of better words. I want to make sure that after having a ho this week, next week I'll be good to go again. Is true that using condoms doesn't guarantee I won't get an std but it dramatically decreases the odds. If I was to get infected with HIV or something lesser say an std by a ho because I went bare back I would probably say it wasn't worth it. And if it isn't worth it is not worth doing. In this case is not worth going bare back.

Although I don't think going bare back in TJ is that risky. I will be an idiot to think that everybody does their job and everybody does their part to prevent std and HIV infections. But I just don't think it will be in the chicas best interest to work without meeting regulations of La Zona. Both personally and "profesionally." It would be very interesting to know the numbers and data to see what perceneforum.xxxe of chicas has her health card up to date or if they really do check themselves. I don't know if this data is easily accessible, I doubt it, but it should. As a customer I would like to know. But then if it was known that a high perceneforum.xxxe of chicas is not infected with anything bare back sessions would go through the roof.

Think about what Sampsonrico said. The chicas are fucking all day and condoms are irritating for them. At some point their skin in their pussy might break. She will start bleeding and will make HIV infection much easier. Provided that the chica or monger has it. So hell no I wouldn't recommend going bare back at that point much less going bare back at all.

 

[answer my question!]

Ahhhh, one of my favorite topics... Just glance at my avatar to guest
which side of the fence I stand

And to confirm the curiosity, this 'guilty pleasure' (BB topic) ALWAYS
draws the most "Views" amongst random threads throughout this forum.

Check for yourself....


There are great, great points For & Against the method...

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Def not the same feelings, your cock is exposed to the cold-cold air and
nothing beats a nice warm snatch. But its a great porno-style finish
especially the chin shot.. if your can convince to her to let you snap some pics?







You both are 100% correct. Not sure why? But it is what it is...



Underrated statement, but is SO TRUE !!

Next time you slip it in BB, you know that "initial fantastic feeling"?
Guest what? She's experiencing that SAME feeling.
Watch her 'eyes roll back' just like yours...Once penetration occurs.

This applies ONLY after you've been through multiple rubbers drying out and
she wants you to cum quick to finish the session.

Or just a plain old-fashion true GFE session? the best possible scenario
in my book



Well said brother... Can't refute... Therefore I will knock on wood as i finish
this thread (namely my own cock, cause im horny as hell)

Once again i agree with the majority of Fireballs points....



The majority (chicas & dudes) play by the rules. But some Chicas actually have a standard BB rates $$



Amen !!...LoL,LoL



Don't know them personally, but i see them every time i visit, which are
in 3-4 months increments. Hey whatever floats? Your monger boat!!


-Also i believe Sampsonrico made a great point in a previous thread.
That .."Bare Back sex just naturally happens"

-If a Chica is generally diggin you? Or your awesome at giving great DATY?
Then Heat-of-the-moment tendencies tend to take over.

-I personally am lucky (to toot my own horn) That I'm tall 6'2, slender
built, and clean-cut looking guy in my late 30's. So i get the "who is
that?' looks with I pass through those curtains. Not to mention I walk
around with a 'confident swagger' and I'm always 'smelling good' as well.
2 minor simplicities on the surface, but helps my GFE closing perceneforum.xxxe.

 

[dustin]

I've never thought about it this way before. Sometimes my johnson gets irritated in one session. I can only imagine how many times chicas have gone upstairs. This is another reason not to go bare back in TJ. And maybe getting there earlier.

 

[Ayrehead]

Again I must say getting sin-condom sexo isn't easy, if it was everybody would be doing it. When the little head takes control of the big head, there is really nothing you can do. Guys that have favorite girls stand a better chance of getting sin-condom sex.

Now personality I ask for sin-condom sex about 50% of the time, but I only get it about 15% 20% of the time. The bar girls at the popular bars will rarely offer sin-condom sex, nor do you want it from girls that go up 10 to 20 a day/night.[ try the smaller bars]

I know of one escort that offered 'Bare-Back ASS fucking based on a picture I saw of her on another site, and things I read about her between the lines of reports about her.

Sampson knows this escort too, but she no longer works for him. So yes I agree with Burt that Sampson knows the score, and even escorts would be willing to offer it RAW if the price was right, what the escort site owner don't know won't HURT THEM, but again it's not easy getting an escort to give it up without a CONDOM!!!

 

[Joyce B]

Sampson is one of the most knowledge men regarding the hobby in TJ that can be found. He's right too.

Some guys want sin-condom sex, others don't. And some chicas under certain conditions are willing to provide sin-condom sex. (Which doesn't mean he's in favor of escorts doing sin-condom sex. He isn't--but he "knows the score.")

 

[Elisabeth C]

MikeDude...if you ever find out more about this gell, please post about it.

 

[Lora S]

I have seen an ad on the internet for some type of gel you can apply prior to having sex and this substance will allegedly form a barrier around your dick to keep all kinds of STDs including HIV virus from entering your body. Has anyone tried this stuff or is this another internet scam ?