Children @ Massage Parlours!!!!!!!

Children have no place in MP's. For those who say they do think like a parent. You leave you two year old (child or baby....the infant what you want) with your brother for an evening. He goes to get a massage. Leaves the kid with one of the girls at the door to watch. The cops come in and bust the place. They take your away because you left him/her with someone who obviously isn't responsible. You gonna argue that there's nothing wrong with what you happened or you gonna be upset for this person bringing your child there. It's like going to a strip club for a beer on a night when your wife's out and you're babysitting. I don't think she'd like that, the establishment wouldn't, Children's aid wouldn't. Who would??

And for those of you saying to define "wrong".........
Who the hell are you?
A lawyer??
We're not looking to prove innocent or guilty by playing with the words being said. Wrong means "not right" in this case.
ie. 2+2=5....that is wrong
ie. baby+MP=Good!...that to is wrong.
 
The funny thing is... after all these rebuttals, none of you can even
define why it is "wrong". You all choose to give run-about answers.
Why? Because you really don't know, do you!?!


Think carefully... How can you really believe in something that you
can't explain?

"Self-Evident" you say?
"You really need to ask why it's wrong?" you ask?

Seriously, no more joking around. If it really is that obvious, why
can't any of you explain it without using more subjective reasoning?


Ok, now somebody said, "It's wrong because it's not right". Well
thanks for pointing that out my friend, but now you have explain
why it's "not right"



LOL, you know what, nevermind... forget I wrote this...
Your arguments are solely based on opinions that only carry merit
with ppl who will concur. Some of your statements remind me of
grade school, where the kids say, "It's true because my daddy
said so."



^__^ Cheers ^__^
 
although in one way i can say it wouldn't matter if the baby was there, because it wouldn't know anything on what was going on.
but i can see how the baby being there is upsetting.
i think the main thing is, the baby, is a person, under the age of 18.
if a 17 year old can't go in, why should the baby be allowed in.
 
You guys may be jumping the gun. I agree it's no place for children and if a MPA brought their child to work it is definitely wrong. However I agree with tmsg007. It could have been a friend of a MPA showing off her new baby, and maybe just stopping by.

Either way it would of freaked me out!


Big Ben
 
Bringing a child into a mp, regardless of its age is both morally and lawfully wrong.

A dancer I used to date had two children and just returned from holidays with them. She had to stop by the club she worked at before she went home. She took them both in with her and that really bothered me, even though it was just for a few minutes.

I have seen ladies in the business who have just "had" a child, take the child to their workplace so the other girls could have a chance to see the child. Again, its a nice thought but it is enough to get them charged. CAS has an agenda against women in the sex trade who have children.
 
Are you serious??????????
I was just there the other day, but I saw no babies... I didnt stay, I didnt like the MPA that greeted me and the other girl that I did see there, disappeared on me

You know what, I have been thinking about going back to see Alee...

This shit is just wrong and bad.... Does the owner know he has babies in his spa? I mean come on, this thread is going to get around, becasue its a pretty serious topic....
Is he ever going to address this issue, Im sure some of us want answers!
 
I used to go to a spa on Wilson several years back. Oriental Mystique I think it was called. One day I went in and had a session with the usual girl I saw there. I could hear a child running up and down the hallway and she went out to check her a few times and put her in another room. It was her daughter who sounded to be about 4 or 5. That was the only time that happened in the times I went there and I stopped going there so I don't know if it was just a unique situation or the norm. It was not a good thing, very distracting and a bad situation for the child. I never actually saw the girl though.
 
Dear AznDoinkiBoi

The issue here is not the correct usage of the word wrong as to delve to the point where we can justify pretty much anything we do!

You must be at a much higher intellectual level then the average Joe but what the hells your point...if it can't be explained then just keep doing it...if it just feels wrong that is not reason enough to disagree..WRONG is a word that helps people convey a point that I have no problem understanding..no problem..I do not need to wait for some #%$*@^$ gramatically correct explanation to see it is bad. Even though boinking with my wife may not be wrong ..to not take proper precautions to protect your child from seeing that... is wrong!!! Go back and read about STDS ..skin contact stupid..under 18 is illegal...l remember someone being shot at a MP...how many more do you need.. is three enough or do you need at least five to understand wrong

You wanna put yourself in harms way fine..but not a child because you are to lazy or cheap to do the not wrong thing and plead stupid and ignorance or better yet I am not ashamed of what I do or I am not hiding my child from anything I do they will learn sooner or later well sonny boy it is just not that complicated for them yet...ice cream..bicycles..getting brave to touch a toad..playing house

remember KISS keep it simple stupid...IT"S WRONG

and this goes to all of the idiots that see this as no big deal and use this as a way to justify or validate your actions through children that is wrong and pathetic to..do you need pathetic explaned too!!!
 
lol, nice post my friend ^__^

Could you define "pathetic" for my decrepit mind pls


Oh, by the way you spelt my name wrong ^__^


Cheers!
 
Because it is against the law I can accept. There was once laws forbidding blacks in many establishments etc. Doesn't make it "wrong" in my opinion just problematic. Sure, if I owned
the MP I would tell the girls not to bring any child to work for reasons other than morality. The dangers of MP's, come on!
More people were shot at McDonalds.
My point is that there are far more real things to get upset about. Perhaps for some this gives them some moral righteousness where they don't have to examin their own actions.
 
If you're arguing the point that it is ethically wrong to bring babies
to massage parlors - I disagree. Babies do not have the mental
capacity to know where they are.


Whatever idiot!!! whether the child comprehends or not... as a parent you are the guardian of that child and to provide a safe, wholesome and happy atmosphere and place where a bunch of of guys are getting yanked is no place for a child. With your logic maybe being in the room is okay to..that is just plain out and out disgusting..a very pathetic mother indeed..but as we know there is plenty of those around
 
Let me see if I can lay this thing to rest once and for all. Mgnt was not present during this incident, and if they had the baby wouldnt have been allowed anywhere near the spa. The ladies on shift should have known better and were told so very firmly. The mother does not work in the spa. She was told not to come back with or with the baby. This was a unfortunate mistake and will not be repeated. The mgnt would like to apoligize to Tony and the other members of the board if it has made them uncomfortable. They would also like to offer Tony a free massage if you will consider another visit


Baron
 
Baron,

Is it safe to assume you are the owner of this 5 star all ages spa? If so, why would you not just come out and say so instead of speaking in third person like this. I'm not really sure if you are the actual owner of this spa, a friend of the owner or just some guy that was bored and decided to play the role of the owner of this spa. It would be great if you could answer these questions for me,thanks.

PS Just think of the bragging rights this baby has over all his fellow pre schoolers. This kid has been to a parlour before most high school guys ever have. Talk about getting a head start. Im sure the baby thanks you Baron aka spa owner? aka friend of the owner? aka bored kid just messing with us?
 
Sure it's no place for a child. I agree.
But,...were they loving. was the child
neglected?? These are questions that
should be asked. Better maybe to take
her with her then to leave her with the
alcoholic in-laws or parents who knows what her options were. I assume that we
are talking about an infant who's awareness only spans within its' immediate environment.
Perhaps your judgement is a bit harsh.
Is what goes on behind those doors that that terrible that the aura will permanently damage this child for life. I can think of a lot worse places of vocation for an infant. A cow chop shop for instance or a Maple Leafs hockey game. Exposing the child to violence of any nature has far more damaging effects.
 
Rusty

First of all my intrest in this sap is none of your busness.
I dont make false clames, posts, or promises I cant keep.
and Im deffenitly not a kid.
And as for your comment on a baby having bragging rights. Thats just plain f#$%ed up and nothing to joke about, bringing a minor into a spa is not funny, give your head a shake! this has been taken very seriosly and will not be repeated

Baron
 
Thanks for the many and different points of view, guys.

One thing that I find very
 
Are you serious man..... dont justify this MPA's actions for bringing a child to the spa... whether she was loving or not, that baby should not have been there.

We are grown men here and we know what goes on at MP's. Germs and bacteria is just one tiny thing that this child may catch. If the place got busted, or robbed or god knows what!...

Not to mention the fact that IM THERE FOR A FANTASY!

If home was a worse place to leave the child, you think a MP is much better?
Bottom line is that there are no excuses for this little child to be in there. It's just wrong. The police wouldnt like it, and neither would children's aid. Its W R O N G!

And how does the AGE of the child change shit??? Just becasue it may not remember its ok? What the hell is that! I dont agree with your POST-REPLY... but I guess that's why these Review Boards are here... to voice our opinions! Im sorry but I just dont agree with you! I was there and I know what I saw and IT was not RIGHT.
 
You have to pass a test and have a license to drive a car. Too bad we don't have the same requirements to become a parent.

Although if bringing a baby with you gets you extra mileage.......

...........just joking of course.
 
So I guess you guys would object if I brought my 4 year old brother with me the next time I go to IT. Herbert (my little brother) is gonna be pretty upset, he really wanted to meet Alexis. Oh well, maybe next year when he is 5 and more mature I might bring him.
 
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    Here's a sneak peek of tomorrow's schedule: For Monday February 3, 2025, our attendants will be Mia ๐Ÿ˜˜, Sandy ๐Ÿค—, Vicky ๐Ÿ”ฅ, Ivy ๐Ÿฅฐ, and Sophie โค๏ธ Call 905-479-6668 to book!
  29. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Slim Petite Chinese Vivi & Young Slim Sexy Chinese Faye & Sexy Chinese Cici
  30. OrchidSPA:
    Today we have Beautiful Girls Mia & Eva ๐ŸคฉMia is a Slim Cute Asian Hot Girl. ๐Ÿ”ฅ Eva is Very Popular in the GTA. ( | ) Drop In and Enjoy a Satisfying Experience Today! OPEN: 10am to 10:00pm ~ Call/Text โฉ๏ธ 437-220-6963 ~ Unit#103 3601 Highway 7, Markham, ON L3R 0M3
  31. Suko 5Girls:
    Suko Spa schdule today on Sunday is with 7 lovely๐Ÿ’“ladies๐Ÿ’‡ Basia/Bella, Susan, Lee, Crystal, Jojo, Yumi and Candy ๐Ÿ›ฃ 420 ValleymedeDr, Richmond Hill, same plaza McDonalds ๐Ÿ“žโ˜Ž 905-597-8880 โ˜Ž
  32. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜Hot and sexy body, super body slide, very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in
  33. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธTania๐ŸŒธKarla๐ŸŒธAkame Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  34. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธTiffany๐ŸŒธRebecca๐ŸŒธJulianaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  35. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Slim Petite Chinese Vivi & Young Slim Sexy Chinese Faye & Sexy Chinese Cici
  36. Q Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’Q SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…4465 SHEPPARD AVENUE EAST UNIT #27โœ… SCARBOROUGH - BRIMLEY & SHEPPARD โ˜Ž๏ธ(647)727-2577โ˜Ž๏ธSPA LANDLINE โ˜Ž๏ธ(249)874-2628โ˜Ž๏ธ โœ…OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAYโœ… ๐Ÿ’ฏโœ…TWO NEW ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY ๐Ÿ’ฏโœ…EXCELLENT MASSAGE+ ๐Ÿ’ฏโœ…EXTRA SERVICES AVAILABLE ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’Q SPA IS YOUR IDEAL MASSAGE + SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS SPA WITH YOUNG ASIAN SEXY PETITE GIRLS๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’ ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF GIRLS WORKING IN OUR SPA EVERYDAY๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ Available Girls Working Today: Gigi๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅOur sexy massage girl Gigi exudes an air of c
  37. hiyamickey:
    7 girls working at Reinella wellness , Address:6262 Hwy7 unit #1 Vaughan, โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-851-4888
  38. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga Yoyo and Mandy work
  39. Sparkling Spa:
    Sultry Nympho Susan is working at Sparkling Spa with Sweet Korean Emily today. Real pictures of Susan& Emily๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏCall or text to book appointment ๐Ÿ“ฒ โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY
  40. AliceSpa:
    SUNDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด:[/color] 3 Amazingly Hot Top Girls Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm: HOLLY (11am-9pm) : is a young, pretty, slim & busty yoga instructor from Vietnam, standing 5โ€™4โ€ with C Cups. She has special services, bbbj ,cim, pussy slide, 69, SF2, water flute. Donโ€™t miss out! JOJO (12pm-9pm): is a busty JAPANESE girl, nice DD Cup boobs, short
  41. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Cindy๐Ÿ˜˜ - A stunning new massage girl f
  42. HollywoodSpa:
    Sunday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: BELLA & YUKI โ˜Ž416-222-5554โ˜Ž When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care and your visit will be a fulfilling one. Nice Massage, Young Pretty Girls. We have Chinese, Japanese, Korean & other attendants. BELLA is a slim beauty with nice melons, a slim waist, and round bottom. She knows how to make you very happy.
  43. ForeverWarden:
    Sunday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bobo, Vivian & Cindy. Bobo is a small, slim and sexy lady, petite with all natural busty melons for your enjoyment. Vivian is an attractive slim Vietnamese honey with C Cups, who can sweeten your day with daty, bj and cfs Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups
  44. HolidaySpa:
    Sunday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: Jenny & Suki. Jenny has a medium build, nicely curvy with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy. SUKI is a sexy lady, short with big boobs, medium massage & nice services.
  45. SugarLoveSpa:
    Sunday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA & HANA. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. HANA is a slim, sexy & very liberal Mexican lady with incredible services. Sugar Love Spa is an all new spa
  46. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Lala,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Helen , Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry,๐Ÿ  address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
  47. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Anika , Student pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Michelle,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella, Taiwan girl DD Boobs Thai deep massage lily,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
  48. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10.we have 4young beautiful girls working everyday,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…,service queen Sunny friendly nice girl,providing deep tissue massage and nice body slide๐Ÿ…joey is very good looking,big breasted sweet sensual touch,amazing massage give you warm and happy time๐Ÿ˜€really popular girl๐ŸทMust try
  49. bnwellness_wilson:
    today.๐Ÿ’•New Young cute 22โ€™girl beautiful face deep massage Lily๐Ÿ’• ,beautiful buttocks charming temperament ๐Ÿ’• deep massage Summer ๐Ÿ’•Young beautiful sexy body and good deep massage Summer๐Ÿ’‹pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available. 350 Wilson Ave North York
  50. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Yumi๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ’‹A striking new tall gorgeous Korean model with long, flowing reddish-brown hair cascading down her back and a slender, elegant figure that exudes grace and poise. Yumiโ€™s natural confidence and allure, make her approachable
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