Closing again

[Crosby22]

But the credibility of my girlfriend doesn’t matter... but some dude on a jack off site named old fart is supposed to be credible

 

[bigbill]

The death rate is pretty low here because we have superb medical intervention and wearing masks keeps the viral load during an infection low - viral load is a major contributor to outcome on top of underlying health factors. That's why young healthy health care workers can die. Despite PPE they have a lot of exposure. Death also isn't the only concern, as people are developing numerous long term health issues related to Covid.

My own GP also thinks that for me, it's not as serious as for many others. While I'm on the older side, I am very fit and healthy and I'm able to limit my exposure to other people, I don't take his lack of dire concern for me to mean that he doesn't think it's serious for a pretty significant number of people.

 

[Albertaman]

Will let Old Fart live in his Facebook world of OMG .. it's all so scary and frightening..as I don't have a FB account.. ; Naturally, in OF's world all the scientists or doctors who have dissenting views on how covid should have been dealt with are all non-qualified. He reminds of a small town grade school teacher, retired, who thinks he knows it all, but who are we to disturb his illusion?

Yes, modern science, more precisely, pharmaceuticals have extended the lives of many well beyond their best before dates. Many of the so called Long Term Care Centers are simply centres of neglect where people are dosed up with their daily medications, but there is not much else in terms of life enrichment. And among younger people, gluttony, obesity and lack of physical activity is countered with pharmacare. Personal responsibility for health matters not.

The real impact of the draconian measures will not only be economic, and hurt the middle to lower middle classes the most, but the devastation to mental health, and other chronic health matters will surface over the next 5 to 10 years. Real lessons will be revealed over time.

Back to the real subject of this thread. Have been able to go in for 3 massages so far this week, one totally therapeutic, and two with varying degrees of added fun. Have a two hour session booked for tomorrow with a serious therapist who does enjoy some friskiness. It appears to me that in cowtown, this time around the therapists are not as fearful of covid as they were in March-April. But they are dreading the Sunday closure. At a private level, some have indicated their availability.


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[Outlaw]

All I know for sure is that there are nearly 400 beds in hospitals in Edmonton taken up by Covid patients that weren't there last year and people needing surgeries are being delayed. My friends in China (who some of you may know lol) said lockdown and mask compliance worked and they have no problem. Why can't we do that here?

 

[Spexx]

All I know for sure is that there are nearly 400 beds in hospitals in Edmonton taken up by Covid patients that weren't there last year and people needing surgeries are being delayed. My friends in China (who some of you may know lol) said lockdown and mask compliance worked and they have no problem. Why can't we do that here?

Because there will always be narrow minded selfish people in this province who can’t understand the infection rate and how quickly their stubbornness turns into geometric increases. Percentages show only what we have now. By the time you see the percentages increase to points of concern it is already too late.

And quite frankly I am sick and tired of Facebook know-it-all’s spewing their half truths and stupid conspiracy theories simpl Facebook has profiled them and feeds their low intelligence with fake news and propaganda that matches their subjective and limited opinions.

We all just need to shut up and abide by the rules and recommendations put forth by our Healthcare officials. Health and Safety for ALL Canadians.

We could learn allot from how the Asian countries have handled this Pandemic.

 

[Rubmegood]

Why can't we do that here?

Because we aren't a totalitarian state that imprisons, tortures and executes petty criminals!

 

[Outlaw]

Because we aren't a totalitarian state that imprisons, tortures and executes petty criminals!

South Korea isn't either and they did it. Should we follow the U.S. example?

 

[Wills_willie]

Because we aren't a totalitarian state that imprisons, tortures and executes petty criminals!

Australia locked down as well, they're pretty much Covid free now.


At the end of the day it is what is, mistakes and all. We just have to deal with it for what is and move on. Quote all the statistics you want, ICU beds are filling up with Covid patients and regular surgeries are delayed.
Just sayin.....

 

[Albertaman]

Hilarious posts. In Calgary, amongst people that I see downtown, everyone is masked in public, so not sure what the crybabies are whimpering about. Risk management is based on the Swiss Cheese slices approach. One needs to hang several slices of it. Each control slice has some holes. But when combined together, the holes don't line up, and results in reduced risk. Distancing, Hand washing and so forth are all part of the overall plan. I don't know of many people who are ignoring all of these. But the idiots in public services kept Casinos open in past months.. TaX $$$ are too attractive wowza .. tell me that these places had these risk management practices down pat. But now we don't want healthy intelligent people to be in a gym. Talk about a nation of idiots. The Chinese leaders are snickering in delight.. they got it right about the fat and weak minded fearful slobs in the west.


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[Albertaman]

South Korea isn't either and they did it. Should we follow the U.S. example?

The US exAmple? You sound like a typical Trudeau type. There is nothing so special about what the Americans did. And to somehow imagine that Trump caused covid deaths.. is another Cdn wet dream. Covid is a practice run. A benign friend. Helping trim the peripheral leaves. Just assisting in the natural order of deaths per year. Reminding people that being a glutton, or fattening up your children is not a good plan. The real one will look like a new small pox. There won't be time for pithy social media chats and posts. The only decision will be which bin (green, black, blue) do you use for dead bodies piling up? No time for politicians to be on TV 24/7 talking about infections. I expect that this will come. Nature will create its own green solutions.. fewer people. Covid is a friend.


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[Crosby22]

old fart has been around a long time and has accused many members of many things such as being spa owners who post fake reviews..i accuse the old fart as being a long time employee of a laundry who specializes in sucking out the old fart stains from chinamans underwear...

Because there will always be narrow minded selfish people in this province who can’t understand the infection rate and how quickly their stubbornness turns into geometric increases. Percentages show only what we have now. By the time you see the percentages increase to points of concern it is already too late.

And quite frankly I am sick and tired of Facebook know-it-all’s spewing their half truths and stupid conspiracy theories simpl Facebook has profiled them and feeds their low intelligence with fake news and propaganda that matches their subjective and limited opinions.

We all just need to shut up and abide by the rules and recommendations put forth by our Healthcare officials. Health and Safety for ALL Canadians.

We could learn allot from how the Asian countries have handled this Pandemic.

Those countries started/made it, so they are a step ahead of us on handling it

 

[Wills_willie]

The US exAmple? You sound like a typical Trudeau type. There is nothing so special about what the Americans did. And to somehow imagine that Trump caused covid deaths.. is another Cdn wet dream. Covid is a practice run. A benign friend. Helping trim the peripheral leaves. Just assisting in the natural order of deaths per year. Reminding people that being a glutton, or fattening up your children is not a good plan. The real one will look like a new small pox. There won't be time for pithy social media chats and posts. The only decision will be which bin (green, black, blue) do you use for dead bodies piling up? No time for politicians to be on TV 24/7 talking about infections. I expect that this will come. Nature will create its own green solutions.. fewer people. Covid is a friend.


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Next up; The Zombie Apocalypse.

 

[Guy2013]

The real impact of the draconian measures will not only be economic, and hurt the middle to lower middle classes the most, but the devastation to mental health, and other chronic health matters will surface over the next 5 to 10 years. Real lessons will be revealed over time.

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I love these opinions that speak to the horrific long term effects on mental health from this pandemic. Many of our parents lived thru a time where they experienced hunger and homelessness in the Dirty 30's, destruction, genocide, rationing, and the loss of sons and spouses in WW2, and learning to crouch under the school desks in case of nuclear attack in the late 50's. During these event none of them had access to hundreds of televisionstations and streaming services, the internet, online shopping, cell phones, credit cards, massive government bailouts, or a host of other things that we all take for granted. Yet somehow they managed to go on to raise families and contribute to society.

However in today's world the fear of a toilet paper shortage, restaurant closures, some alone time, and temporary unemployment will apparently mentally devastate vast groups of the population.

 

[bigbill]

^^^ This. People are soft and weak. My grandparents were born in the 1800s and they lived through WWI, the 1918-1920 pandemic, the great depression, WW2 and the dramatic rise in technology of the post WW2 era that left many of their generation behind in terms of skills and employability. My grandparents were poor to start their lives and were lower middle class at the end, making some headway. The buried four of their five children, but their children all had more than they did, especially in terms of education. They died in their 90s when I was in high school as my father was their last-born, and I wish they'd lived to see their grandson completing multiple graduate degrees.

These people worked like elephants their entire lives and complained little, or not at all. We should be working on building a better society, but we also need to understand that sometimes self sacrifice is necessary for the good of others, and for the good of us all.

My children grew up spending a lot of time in the mountains, and as teens they spent pretty long periods on climbing expeditions with me. Living in harsh conditions and climbing dangerous routes, they endured hardships and learned resilience. They continue these activities as adults and when we're talking about the pandemic now they shrug their shoulders and say it's "damned easy compared to living in a snow cave on the side of a giant peak..." Lessons learned. Does that mean they're anti-mask nut-jubs or don't take the spread seriously? No. But it means they can easily cope with the mental aspect of things like lockdowns and restricted access to services.

 

[Crosby22]

I love these opinions that speak to the horrific long term effects on mental health from this pandemic. Many of our parents lived thru a time where they experienced hunger and homelessness in the Dirty 30's, destruction, genocide, rationing, and the loss of sons and spouses in WW2, and learning to crouch under the school desks in case of nuclear attack in the late 50's. During these event none of them had access to hundreds of televisionstations and streaming services, the internet,shopping, cell phones, credit cards, massive government bailouts, or a host of other things that we all take for granted. Yet somehow they managed to go on to raise families and contribute to society.

However in today's world the fear of a toilet paper shortage, restaurant closures, some alone time, and temporary unemployment will apparently mentally devastate vast groups of the population.

And you honestly think people nowadays are as mentally strong and as tough as they were back then? Well some are...And who cares about restaurant closures and alone time i’ve stayed in work camps everywhere from the Arctic Ocean to the jungle of Africa , those are even important so why are you bringing that up? I’m talking about the no education kids are basically getting the last year, you can say that they’re going to school but if you think it’s anything remotely productive compared to how education should be You’re focussing on the wrong problems, temporary unemployment? There has been business is shut down and people that are full out unemployed and you’re telling me a family getting financially destroyed is nothing? Especially when some want to work and live paycheque to paycheck! So we’re going to shut the country down, destroy childrens education, ruin businesses, financial destroy families, which can result in destroyed families , graduates not having a graduation, people not being to attend loved ones funerals, cause there’s more things killing people then covid, look at the suicide rate and overdose rate since this all started, but all of this for a 0.02% death rate , and remember tons of those deaths were blamed on Covid that word Covid! Even positive tests are bs, i’ve heard rate from the horses mouth that any tests that come up inconclusive or if somebody pulls a no-show for a test it Automatically gets put down as a positive case so even the case numbers are out to lunch, I hope after all this is done we report every single death from the flu! Every single death from pneumonia! And every single death from any kind of cold, and it would be all over the news just as much as it is now

 

[bigbill]

The issue is that we've created an economic system that is so fragile and biased against the working class that it can't sustain a national emergency.

 

[Old Fart]

I love these opinions that speak to the horrific long term effects on mental health from this pandemic.

And don't you love how these guys don't comprehend that you can recover from financial loses but not death?
Oh, but these people are close to death anyway. I also love how they LOVE that argument but don't use it with the mental health issue. If someone were to jump off a bridge because they lost their job or business, maybe they would have jumper soon anyway because next week, they might have gone home and found their house had been broken into, or they left a light on all day when they were at work, or left the water dripping in the sink all day.

And NO, I am not making light of suicide just like I am NOT making light of an 85-year-old dying from COVID. As some suggested, MAYBE when it hits close to home they will clue in but I doubt it. They do not even care about family/friends, just their own ass.

 

[m694ever]

Please take the time to read and see that there are opinions out there other than the ones that follow the often political narrative.

MUST-READ: Open letter from a doctor to Jason Kenney

Dr. Dennis Modry writes an open letter to Alberta Premier Jason Kenney calling for an end to lockdowns and mandatory mask laws.

www.westernstandardonline.com

 

[bigbill]

Dr. Modry makes some excellent points, and he's certainly right about some things, all of them pertaining to the medical field. He's not an economist, and his arrogance in that area is overwhelming, and his source material is from The Fraser Institute, an organisation that spews forth economic "research" that is anything but. They don't submit their work for peer review and only self publish because their work is opinion based and not actual research. I happen to know Dr.Modry personally, and his economic beliefs are rooted in a perspective that is severely biased due to his wealth. His opinion about lockdowns is rooted not in concern for others but instead as seeing people as means of production, and no matter what, the production-economy must continue unabated primarily to serve the needs of the wealthy.

The anti-mask stance confuses me, the medical community is now pretty much close to 100% in agreement on the efficacy of masks with regards to Covid19. It's now known that i'ts spread through oral and nasal emissions.

Many of the non-directly-medical side effects he's referring to (mental health of children, divorce, etc) are tied to economic stress. Even if lockdowns aren't necessary for this pandemic, they could be required for an even more serious emergency, and if we can't cope, we need to make systemic changes.

Alberta is becoming a have-not province, and was on it's way there long before the pandemic. We've staunchly refused to diversify our economy and have completely ignored the growing shift away from oil based energy. This was a systemic issue that has nothing to do with pandemics and should be addressed, but the UCP government refuses. They have hedged all of our bets on the oil and gas industry.

Recently, the premier gave a speech about a Venezuelan family that "escaped socialism" but he didn't take the time to listen to the person he talked to. They left their home country in 1989 because they'd based their entire economy on oil, and the collapse of the industry (the bust, in boom and bust) had pushed the country deep into recession. The family moved to Montreal and eventually to Alberta, and here they are again, in the same predicament. Living in an economy based solely on oil and gas, riding a crashing wave. Alberta's woes have nothing to do with Trudeau, or any other federal government. We had years and years of "Alberta friendly" governments, which Kenney was actually a minister within, and they did nothing to solve the issue. Why not? Because they rightly saw it as a provincial issue, an oversight to lessen the dependence on non-renewable energy.

So, yes, I agree with Dr. Mondry on many of his medical points, mostly that we need enough capacity in the system to deal with both a medical emergency and keeping regular treatments and interventions available and the system is not completely overwhelmed, yet. But I don't agree with his opinions regarding the reasons why Alberta is faltering economically, and the possible solutions to the issue. Dive deeper into the Fraser Institute's policy stance for Alberta and it's all about horrendous austerity. Even right-leaning economists now admit that austerity measures are not a means to economic recovery, and in fact exacerbate recessions. The IMF published a report based on their internal research of examining the austerity that they imposed on nations needing to borrow from the fund, and several years ago admitted that the austerity measures were a complete failure.

The acceleration of corporate tax cuts in Alberta will reduce government funding at a critical time when Albertans require more services than ever. Those cuts have not resulted in job growth, and will not. Tax cuts are well down the list of effective job creation strategies. Jobs are not created by companies. They're created by demand. If we don't increase the demand for goods and services, companies will not invest to fill that demand. Companies don't invest in employment growth or productive capacity unless there is a demand gap they're trying to fill. Putting money into the hands of consumers is the #1 way to create jobs. Examining commercial growth trends and demand gaps is right after that. An example is renewable energy. People the world over at all levels, from governments down to individuals are demanding renewable energy sources. Non-oil-producing nations are all tired of being held hostage and are not only seeking to battle climate change, but create greater economic stability by getting off the oil price roller-coaster.

So it's true that Alberta has had difficulties thanks to the pandemic, but the reason we're faring worse than other provinces has nothing to do with Covid. It's because of 40 years of refusing to see the future that was staring us in the face the entire time.

 

[m694ever]

Well said Bill and I respect your opinions. My point and becoming more my frustration is people lashing out at others calling names, degrading people because they do not share the same opinion. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Breaking current laws is wrong but expressing and opinion is still legal. Using a moral argument has two sides and we need to understand that.