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[NM-47]

I've always found the celebration of Cinco De Mayo to be rather odd and humorous. How can someone celebrate the defeat of the French? A girl scout troop with a couple BB guns and some slingshots could accomplish that.

 

[DeathVolker]

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Amigomio wrote:

Yes I think most everybody is proud of their race and the country they were born in, in fact most people love their local football, baseball or soccer team.

Many of us heard of "fuero polيtico" as we followed the last Presidential election in Mexico pretty closely. I remember when the Mexican political bosses tried to strip Lopez Obrador of his immunity from prosecution ( el desafuero) in order to keep him from running for President, but when that didn't work we watched in horror how the US helped undermine the election away from the front runner Lopez Obrador, which enabled PAN's Calderon to win, and win unfairly in my opinion. No way was the US going to allow any leftist President in their backyard who isn't friendly with US corporate interests.
If I'm not mistaken there has been a few other elected officials in Mexico caught with their hands in the cookie jar and were brought up on charges?

Bring back the draft in the US. Very very doubtful, whoever tried would be committing political suicide. We had a black congressman in the US talk about it, but it was just in order to shame other high powered people in the senate or congress to risk putting their own kids in the Iraq war. Now perhaps if Hillary loses the election in 2008 and we go to war with Iran and world war III or something like that starts, then maybe we would go back to the draft, but it's very unlikely dispute the rumor that Bush had the plan ready just in case.

 

[Pompal 09.]

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Thanks that was a cool piece.{learn something new everyday}

 

[V. town lee]

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I don't know about "superficial pride" as I view the Mexican people to love their country. That has been my feeling all along...however they are not very proud of their "corrupt government".

It seems like the US only becomes patriotic when someone flies planes into our tall buildings.

 

[Markie]

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Yes your right Sampson, I also wote something on Los Niٌos Héroes on another forum from the Mexican view point. Yes that was a cheap shot by Pocodinero questioning Mexican pride or calling it superficial, and them sheep. We are all sheep in both the US and Mexico to the multitnational corporations. The fact is many Mexicans are as proud of their country as people are in the states. Now maybe Pocodinero is talking about those assholes in Tijuana riding around in back of trucks waving a Mexican flag telling you to vote for their favorite candidate or yelling after a winning soccer game? I would say that's just how some people do things in Tijuana.

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Since you are talking about Mexican independence day, the day Mexican celebrate like we celebrate the 4th of July. I thougt I would bring up Los Niٌos Héroes, since it's also a popular street in the zona.

Los Niٌos Héroes or boy heroes were about six teenagers from the Mexican miltary cadets died defending Mexico at Mexico city from the evil empire, the United States, on their quest from God trying to fulfill the manifest destiny. What the US was doing in Mexico trying to take Mexico city is beyond me? But during this battle of Chapultepec. The Mexican general told everybody to fall back from the invading forces, but the cadets refused and resisted the evil US forces until all they young boys were all killed? Or as others say, as we are not sure, of the exact ending, the cadets committed suicide rather then allow themselves to be captured, and one jumped to his death along with the Mexican flag to keep it away from the invading forces of the US. No matter how the story really ended, this much is clear the boys from as young as 13 to as old as 19 are heroes and will or rather have gone down in history as heroes.

Harry Truman and even Bill Clinton has gone to Mexico to pay respect to the Niٌos Héroes , and have helped heal old wounds from the battle many years ago, that most Mexican will remember and past on to generations to come.

 

[Chase]

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I resent these comments Pocodinero: "Why is there such a superficial PRIDE in this country ?"..."populace are meek sheeps"

As opposed to a false pride in the US?

Just wait till you get the Big D (the Draft) back and let's see if the people that compose your country are as brave as it boasts....
This time I don't think people will opt for Canada as the only option to evade draft, this time they will come down South to Mexico.

By the way, the piece posted on the Revolucion is not even the tip of the iceberg of why we Mexicans act as we act.
It has to do with religion, 75 years of a political dictatorship that ended in the year 2000, and the stupid fact the all politicians in office are by de facto inmune to prosecution.
Yes, inmune... bet you guys didn't know this one; it's called "fuero polيtico", that is why no politician will touch a tribunal. That is why they jump from political post to political post, so they won't be touched by law.
That's the reason why we fear them... yes fear them.
We dare not speak back to them, demand anything from them, cause we just don't know what will happen to us.

Hopefully, this will change within this presidency or the next.
We Mexicans are very patient...

 

[Matty]

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On another board I wrote about all the major Mexican holidays. I'd post a link, but don't think that's allowed on this board.

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Dيa de los Niٌos Héroes – (Day of the Boy Hereos or Heroic Cadets) – September 13th

Los Niٌos Héroes (the "Boy Heroes" or "Heroic Cadets") were six teenage military cadets who died defending Mexico City's Chapultepec Castle from invading U.S. forces in the September 13, 1847, Battle of Chapultepec during the Mexican-American War of 1847-1848. Chapulatpec Castle then served as the Mexican army's military academy and also guarded Mexico City from the west.

Their commanders, General Nicolلs Bravo and General José Mariano Monterde, had ordered them to fall back from Chapultepec but the cadets did not; instead, they resisted the invaders until they were killed, with popular legend maintaining that the last survivor leapt from Chapultepec Castle wrapped in the Mexican flag to prevent it from being taken by the enemy

The Niٌos Héroes are currently pictured on the Mexican MN$50 coin.

 

[purplecrazyy]

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I seem to remember Burt and Fireballs discussing this, but cannot find it here...maybe it was on another site. I am sure someone will be able to post about it, and I am sure I don't have the facts straight, so I will abstain.

 

[HouseMD]

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I believe he wrote a big piece on that already. I will check for a link for you.

 

[ano]

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burt2020

Thank you for your well written , informative piece on this subject...

Speaking for myself it does add some sense to what I experience in Tijuana. Your post is an excellent eye opener for me after 10 years of part time envolvement and one recent year of full time residency. I finally received some logical answer to a very private question. ( Ques being ) Why is there such a superficial PRIDE in this country ?

If true there is no wonder why the populace are meek sheeps and those with authority scurry away like cuccarauchas when the light is turned on.

Might I inquiry if you have any knowledge as to the events leading up to the naming of a street in Tijuana " Ninos los Heros " ( or similiar ). Any input would be appreciated.

 

[Ramez]

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thanks for the history lesson burt. i for one found it very interesting.

 

[justme]

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Dيa de la Revoluciَn (Revolucion Day) falls on November 20th. Under the new law many Mexican holidays will now be celebrated on Mondays creating three-day weekends. In 2007 Dيa de la Revoluciَn will be celebrated on Monday, November 19th.

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Dيa de la Revoluciَn (Revolution Day) – November 20th
This holiday celebrates the revolution of 1910-1917 that overthrew the rule Portirio Dيaz from 1876 to 1911. It marks the beginning of modern Mexico and the PRI party.

For most of Mexico's developing history, a small minority of the people were in control of most of the country's power and wealth, while the majority of the population worked in poverty. As the rift between the poor and rich grew under the leadership of General Porfirio Dيaz (José de la Cruz Porfirio Dيaz Mori) who was the presidsent and dictator of Mexico from 1876 to1911. (Diaz was a military hero because he lead the calvary forces on Cinco de Mayo at the Battle of Puebla when the Mexicans fought against the French under Maximilian.) Opposition to Dيaz surfaced when Francisco I. Madero, educated in Europe and at the University of California, led a series of strikes throughout the country.

Dيaz was pressured into holding an election in 1910, in which Madero was able to gather a significant number of the votes. Although Dيaz was at one time a strong supporter of the one-term limit, he seemed to have changed his mind and had Madero imprisoned, feeling that the people of Mexico just weren't ready for democracy.

Once Madero was released from prison, he continued his battle against Dيaz in an attempt to have him overthrown. During this time, several other Mexican folk heros began to emerge, including the well known Pancho Villa in the north, and the peasant Emiliano Zapata in the south, who were able to harass the Mexican army and wrest control of their respective regions. Dيaz was unable to control the spread of the insurgence and resigned in May, 1911, with the signing of the Treaty of Ciudad Juلrez, after which he fled to France.

Madero was elected president, but received opposition from Emiliano Zapata who didn't wish to wait for the orderly implementation of Madero's desired land reforms. In November of the same year Zapata denounced Madero as president and took the position for himself. He controlled the state of Morelos, where he chased out the estate owners and divided their lands to the peasants. Later, in 1919, Zapata was assassinated by Jesus Guajardo acting under orders from General Pablo Gonzalez.

It was during this time that the country broke into many different factions, and guerilla units roamed across the country destroying and burning down many large haciendas and ranchos. Madero was later taken prisoner and executed and the entire country existed in a state of disorder for several years, while Pancho Villa rampaged through the north, and different factions fought for presidential control.

Eventually, Venustiano Carranza rose to the presidency, and organized an important convention whose outcome was the Constitution of 1917, which is still in effect today. Carranza made land reform an important part of that constitution. This resulted in the ejido, or farm cooperative program that redistributed much of the country's land from the wealthy land holders to the peasants. The ejidos are still in place today and comprise nearly half of all the farmland in Mexico.

Carranza was followed by others who would fight for political control, and who would eventually continue with the reforms, both in education and land distribution. During this period the PRI political party was established, which was the dominant political power for 71 years until Vicente Fox of the conservative PAN party was elected.

The Dيa de la Revoluciَn holiday commemorates the day, November 20, 1910, when Madero denounced President Dيaz, declared himself president of Mexico and called for a national insurrection.