Spa AD E&M Wellness @ 7665 Kennedy Rd, Markham, Tel..(905) 479 6668

Been lurking for some time but kray gives decent reviews and honest opinions. I'm sure many hobbyists here actually value those opinions vs all the other non-sense..


He's a salesman, that's his job here. I'm sure he has all the best intensions. I agree with some of the shills but there are plenty of dud's too. Try for yourself and vote with your wallet.

No offense implied
 
Been lurking for some time but kray gives decent reviews and honest opinions. I'm sure many hobbyists here actually value those opinions vs all the other non-sense..

Krayjee will overplay his hand which he has done at SL.

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What a coincidence. I was about to bump this thread back to front after seeing the spa was pretty dead there today. I was having some discussions at Blue Sky for about 2 hrs for thier new Blue Sea spa opening on Pine Valley this coming Monday and all I saw was only one customer went into E&M in that 2 hrs period. January is always tough but this past year was the toughest for some spas.

The funny thing was Blue Sky girls were always watching on monitors to know E&M is busy or not. They said when E&M is busy. They are busy too. Mia told me Cici and Eva wants the Thai guy to come back to E& M..lol.
They were so happy when they first open the Blue Sky. They said they got over 20 customers everyday as soon as they open without advertising any where cuz at that time E&M was getting 35-40 customers a day and they were having a good time with spill overs from E&M. Now E&M is averaging only 20-25 a day so Blue Sky is getting only 10 -12 a day. The only difference is E&M needs at least 15 customers a day to break even and all Blue Sky needs was 5 customers.
 
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What a coincidence. I was about to bump this thread back to front after seeing the spa was pretty dead there today. I was having some discussions at Blue Sky for about 2 hrs for thier new Blue Sea spa opening on Pine Valley this coming Monday and all I saw was only one customer went into E&M in that 2 hrs period. January is always tough but this past year was the toughest for some spas. The funny thing was Blue Sky girls were always watching on monitors to know E&M is busy or mot. They said when E&M is busy. They are busy too. Mia told me Cici and Eva wants the Thai guy to come back to E& M..lol.

Isn't it though.
 
How come E&M needs 15 customers to break even and blue sky only 5?

Is one more debt leveraged than other... I guess it might have to with rates/tips they are charging for service.

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How come E&M needs 15 customers to break even and blue sky only 5?

Is one more debt leveraged than other... I guess it might have to with rates/tips they are charging for service.

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It's a simple math. E&M gets only 26 bucks from every one hr room fee. E&M has receptionist at $ 12 /hr. averaging $120 a day plus 6-7 loads of laundrues a day plus the sauna. Go figure out with the hydro rates and it all adds up. E&M rent is $3300.a month compared to $2800 for Blue Sky. Blue Sky gets $30 room fee for every half hr. No receptionist, no sauna not much laundry. And I am not even talking about how much E&M still owes to Bank.
 
It's a simple math. E&M gets only 26 bucks from every one hr room fee. E&M has receptionist at $ 12 /hr. averaging $120 a day plus 6-7 loads of laundrues a day plus the sauna. Go figure out with the hydro rates and it all adds up. E&M rent is $3300.a month compared to $2800 for Blue Sky. Blue Sky gets $30 room fee for every half hr. No receptionist, no sauna not much laundry. And I am not even talking about how much E&M still owes to Bank.

Well, Krayjee get back to working/helping E&M and you will make a lot of people happy.
 
I guess I need to visit Michelle more often...

E&m girls work more harder and yet they come out being under in the end... strange world we live in...

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I guess I need to visit Michelle more often...

E&m girls work more harder and yet they come out being under in the end... strange world we live in...

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Not sure what you mean, E&M girls are highly rated and are busy
 
The fact that e&m earns 26 bucks for an hour and blue sky 30 bucks for half an hour.

Agree, e&M is busy and highly rated but apparently they are not making enough compared to their next door neighbors even though they work (double) hard.

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The fact that e&m earns 26 bucks for an hour and blue sky 30 bucks for half an hour.

Agree, e&M is busy and highly rated but apparently they are not making enough compared to their next door neighbors even though they work (double) hard.

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Different type of service
 
The fact that e&m earns 26 bucks for an hour and blue sky 30 bucks for half an hour.

Agree, e&M is busy and highly rated but apparently they are not making enough compared to their next door neighbors even though they work (double) hard.

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If E&M is having trouble then the whole industry is in trouble.....we don't see spas closing we see more opening.
 
Yeah... Agree...im doing an apples to oranges comparison here...

My point was (Don't know for sure if it's a point at all).. if I owned E&M, the thought of switching to holistic would definitely come to mind...or in my case would never leave my mind... (does it make sense...)

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Yeah... Agree...im doing an apples to oranges comparison here...

My point was (Don't know for sure if it's a point at all).. if I owned E&M, the thought of switching to holistic would definitely come to mind...or in my case would never leave my mind... (does it make sense...)

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I would want to see real numbers...not Krayjee numbers..:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
had a sesson with cici recently, does she not tease at all or something? i had to tell her after like 30minutes of massaging that i enjoyed teasing and would like some smh and even then, it was lackluster and not sensual at all
 
Yeah... Agree...im doing an apples to oranges comparison here...

My point was (Don't know for sure if it's a point at all).. if I owned E&M, the thought of switching to holistic would definitely come to mind...or in my case would never leave my mind... (does it make sense...)

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Holistic spa is a much better choice if you want to make quick bucks with very little investment. I will give you a very good example. It costs over $160,000 to bulid E&M from ground up and it costs Blue Sky less than $30,000. Blue Sky owners Cici and Eva both working, they were making average over $1,000 everyday in their first 3-4 months, doing so well and was about to expand by renovating the basement to install two table shower rooms and all. They changed that plan after I left E&M and their spa got slowed down as well. Nevertheless they made their money back in less than 4 months. Candy spa bought their spa for just $24, 000 and it was all paid off in 3 months.
E&M on the other hand was struggling to make ends meet on their first few months after they opened in late september 2015 and running at a loss every month with getting only 13-14 customers a day to a point Esther and Michelle has to bring in Eva as additional partner to help secure the spa. It took me about 3-4 months and a few changes of ladies to put E&M on solid ground after I started helping them out. E&M still owes quite a big chunk of money to the bank. It is not as easy as you all think.
We all can see clearly who is doing better by the kind of cars the holistic spa owners are driving compared to semi legit spa owners. Most girls working at holistic spas make $500 to 800 a day and girls working at semi legit spas make avg only $250 to 350 after very hard work.
 
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Yes...exactly my point- I said it 'in short'.

Everybody wants to earn more by doing nothing or less...why wouldnt one think about opening/switching to holistic. Let's say you don't want to do it for x reasons. But the thought will most definitely cross ones mind.





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Well, Krayjee get back to working/helping E&M and you will make a lot of people happy.

I don't think it will happen any time soon. Michelle was quite easy to work with while she was struggling. Now she is on solid ground and she thinks she knows everything and won't take any suggestions from any one. There are lots of things needed to be done, maintained and changed to improve spa image but it is hard to deal with someone who has very limited vision and targeting only on her old regulars Asian blue collar workers. E&M needs to tidy up the place and it is in need of some new fresh girls. Some of the girls at E&M were over worked and getting burnt out working 5 days a week with little breaks in between. Cici and Angel a good example. She herself was over worked and stressed out and moody most time. She turned down the two best ladies I offered to her a few months back. Both ended up at Just relax and booked solid most times

It is a lot easier to deal with someone like Renee who admitted she knows nothing and handed me over the whole spa to manage, or smart and well educated Just Relax owner who is always asking for suggestions to improve her spa image and business. JR girls are responsible to clean the shower room of their own customers after every use to keep the place clean and spotless. She gave Christmas gifts to every of her girls and $50 cash to those who works on New Year's day including me. No wonder JR is the best managed and busiest semi legit spa in town now with lots of pkg holders and regulars with over 30 customers a day even in tough times. They even had 2 record breaking days with over 40 plus customers a few days ago while others were struggling. Even SL is benefitting from JR's spill overs.
 
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I don't think it will happen any time soon. Michelle was quite easy to work with while she was struggling. Now she is on solid ground and she thinks she knows everything and won't take any suggestions from me. There are lots of things needed to be changed and to improve spa image and all but it is hard to deal with someone who has limited vision. She even turned down the two best ladies I offered to her a few months back. Both ended up at Just relax.
It is a lot easier to deal with someone like Renee who admitted she knows nothing and handed me over the whole spa to manage, or smart and well educated Just Relax owner who is always asking for suggestions to improve her spa image and business. No wonder JR is the busiest semi legit spa in town now with lots of pkg holders and regulars with over 30 customers even in tough times.

Shangri-La is on the ropes with the "marketing genius's" guidance.(crazy $500 packages,one month door price special discount for MP members who mention the special )...on and on(not to mention the odd free hj :rolleyes:)....now not surprisingly Krayjee in search of a win is trying to attach his name to JR(numbers questionable of course)...in the meantime--"Now she (Michelle) is on solid ground and she thinks she knows everything and won't take any suggestions from me."........Guess what KJ,Michelle let you go for a reason:rolleyes:
 
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I don't think it will happen any time soon. Michelle was quite easy to work with while she was struggling. Now she is on solid ground and she thinks she knows everything and won't take any suggestions from any one. There are lots of things needed to be done and changed to improve spa image and business but it is hard to deal with someone who has very limited vision. She even turned down the two best ladies I offered to her a few months back. Both ended up at Just relax and booked solid most times. E&M is in need of some new fresh girls. Some of the girls at E&M were over worked and getting burnt out working 5 days a week with little breaks in between. Cici and Angel is a good example. She herself was over worked and stressed out most time.

It is a lot easier to deal with someone like Renee who admitted she knows nothing and handed me over the whole spa to manage, or smart and well educated Just Relax owner who is always asking for suggestions to improve her spa image and business. She gave Christmas gifts to every of her girls and $50 cash to those who works on New Year's day including me. No wonder JR is the best managed and busiest semi legit spa in town now with lots of pkg holders and regulars with over 30 customers a day even in tough times. They even had 2 record breaking days with over 40 plus customers a few days ago. Even SL is benefitting from JR's spill overs.

I was a spill over with no regrets but still have to check out JR...
 
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    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ PAOLA, AMMU, MONIKA, ANGELINA, NISHA, KIRAN, DIYA, ANGEL ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  39. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Massage w
  40. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ KAJAL, ELENA and SUSU are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  41. SugarLoveSpa:
    hi today have Susan, Ella, Tifany, Lisa come baby all young beautiful girls
  42. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Zoe ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament summer ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  43. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Feifei๐Ÿ˜˜Our new Taiwanese beauty Feifei specializes in creating an intimate and deeply relaxing massage experience tailored to your desires. Her soft, skilled hands glide effortlessly, easing tension and awakening your senses with
  44. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Aris , Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Rose,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Julia ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
  45. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธAkame๐ŸŒธChristina๐ŸŒธCamila๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธAntonela Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  46. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 masseuse are working today. Vicky,Mia,Ella and Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available. 350 Wilson Ave North York
  47. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3 very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: AMY (12pm โ€“ 9pm) is a young, petite short & slim Taiwanese, former dance instructor, firm natural B Cups, pretty face, firm natural titis, super play good, bbbj, cim, rim, dfk, all services. APPLE: from Hong Kong, very small body, 5' 100Lbs, petite with natural C Cups
  48. HollywoodSpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: NICOLE & SISI. โ˜Ž๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฎ-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฐโ˜Ž NICOLE is petite, slim and very pretty, with C Cups , long hair & a slim waist. She has nice massage and great services. SISI is a sweet slim beauty, 5โ€™2โ€, with a beauty ass, excellent massage, and amazing services. Come and see why she is so popular. When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood
  49. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream
  50. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: EMILY, KIKI & CINDY. EMILY is a VERY tiny petite SPINNER superstar of the highest quality. Emily has a pretty face, natural A Cups, slim waist, and a lovely spinner bottom, topped off with the very best of services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body.
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