Have you got the Vaccine

[Sybarite]

Good on you...but apparently grade 4 math is beyond these guys.

You could have added that of the 10% of the fully vaccinated who catch covid, some vanishingly small percentage of those will die from it. When you are talking about millions and millions of people, obviously those fully vaccinated covid deaths will number in the thousands....but that would break their brains.

Exactly. Hundreds of millions vaccinated, but if even one of those people dies or catches covid that's all the proof they need that vaccines are useless, or worse, they are designed to kill.

 

[Sybarite]

The greater the number of vaccinations, the greater the chance of a "superbug" emerging.

Clearly the solution then is not to vaccinate at all and just let covid ravage the planet while we all live under perpetual lockdown. At least we will avoid possible superbugs in the future.

This is what happened with hospital bacteria a few decades ago.

Funny though how hospital bacteria didn't seem to be quite as big a deal as this covid thing...

The delta variant doesn't seem to have much trouble getting through the vaccines, implying that it's a development brought about by mass vaccination.

Yes the Pfizer vaccine only offers an 88% protection rate against the delta variant ... so pretty much useless right?

Two weeks after the second dose, the differences in vaccine effectiveness by variant were more modest, with the Pfizer/BioNTech jab offering 88% protection against symptomatic disease with the Delta variant, compared with 94% protection against the Alpha variant.

The Covid Delta variant: how effective are the vaccines?

Analysis: what protection do they offer against infection, hospital admission and death?

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sybarite]

Been away for a while. Good to see the debates on important topics though not related to massage are still around and thriving. Opinions and discussion over forums are good entertainment.

My stance is this. I believe in the vaccines. You can not argue with the results they have produced. Worldwide they have been amazing. Here in Ontario we went from 4000+ cases per day in April with piss poor vaccine rollout, to under 300 now with more than enough vaccines for everyone.

Are the vaccines perfect? No. But there has Never ever been one that is. Most of you are not old enough to know much about other pandemics of past… latest being polio…. But you would not be here without a vaccine for that. The science that went on to create what we have now is nothing short of incredible. 90%+ efficacy! That is insane. And 100% guaranteed you won’t die FROM THE DISEASE.

Are there chances of something happening? Yes. VIIT is a real thing and it is unfortunate and it is even more unfortunate how it was handled. Even Pfizer now has a small thing about heart inflammation and possibility of myocarditis. Also unfortunate. But in the grand scheme of things….. in my opinion they are still worth it.

Many many people die from allergic reactions to medicines each year. Penicillin, insulin….. fuck even peanuts and shellfish can kill you. But you don’t see people arguing on forums about that!

We live in a world where new is scary and will always have skeptics and theorists. What IS true is facts and numbers. The virus isn’t going away by itself. It is going away because a huge SIGNIFICANT number of people have weighed the pros and cons and had their vaccines. This reduces the overall viral load present in every setting from workplaces to hospitals, from Walmart to birthday parties. We are now winning, and it is only because of the vaccines.

To me, it doesn’t matter if you get it or not. I did, two doses, and I know I’m going to be fine. 6 months ago I didn’t know that. Nobody did. Now roughly 25% of people in Ontario can say that and more and more each day.

What happens then is this: those who choose to go unvaccinated will eventually get sick and build their own immunity that way, or they won’t. They may die. That’s their choice. Eventually through time with that (I estimate 10% unvaccinated over the next year) the viral load will not be enough to survive and Covid will be behind us. So in the end, those who choose to not get protected will help in one way or another.

Anyway, life is a choice. What you do with it is up to you. At this point, we are well on our way to getting through this so no hard feelings if that’s what you want to do. Thank you to all who have, I’ll buy you a round perhaps in Maui or Montego Bay maybe one day, while those who stood up for their “freedom” are stuck here.

Great post - thanks. It seems anti-vaxxers are unable to differentiate between the relative severity of problems, and flatly refuse any solutions that fall short of perfection.

It's true on very rare occasions that vaccines will inadvertently kill and sicken, but those numbers are absolutely insignificant compared to the millions being killed and sickened by covid, not to mention the economic costs, educational costs, mental health costs, social costs, etc. etc. etc. of the pandemic.

Renouncing vaccines is like arguing no one should ever go to war because people might get hurt or killed.

 

[stripfan]

Clearly the solution then is not to vaccinate at all and just let covid ravage the planet while we all live under perpetual lockdown. At least we will avoid possible superbugs in the future.



Funny though how hospital bacteria didn't seem to be quite as big a deal as this covid thing...



Yes the Pfizer vaccine only offers an 88% protection rate against the delta variant ... so pretty much useless right?

Two weeks after the second dose, the differences in vaccine effectiveness by variant were more modest, with the Pfizer/BioNTech jab offering 88% protection against symptomatic disease with the Delta variant, compared with 94% protection against the Alpha variant.

The Covid Delta variant: how effective are the vaccines?

Analysis: what protection do they offer against infection, hospital admission and death?

www.theguardian.com

If the effectiveness figures handed out by the vaccine companies are true, or have any meaning in the real world, then the following should never have happened.

Belgium: 12 fully-vaccinated retirement home residents dead after contracting COVID-19 - The COVID Blog®

Belgium continues the global euthanasia campaign for the elderly. These shots can only kill 87-year-olds. They cannot and will not help them.

thecovidblog.com

 

[stripfan]

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Here's a very interesting article from a Chinese site which says Cerro Largo players and staff were vaccinated with Sinovac. Roberto Lima was an assistant coach for the Cerro Largo team. Vigorous physical activity can loosen bloodclots, sending them down fatal pathways.

Uruguayan FA rolls out Chinese COVID-19 vaccine - Xinhua | English.news.cn

 

[stripfan]

I wonder if this is true for the other vaccines, as well.

Germany Claims AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine Only 8% Effective In People Over 65 - GreatGameInternational

According to a report by Germany's Standing Vaccination Commission, the Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine is only effective 8% in people over 65.

greatgameindia.com

 

[stripfan]

Low covid rates may have to do more with the season than the vaccines.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1405892760549224455

 

[OppaiLover]

Low covid rates may have to do more with the season than the vaccines.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1405892760549224455

This is the conclusion in that very study from one of the authors.

YaleProfessor Robert Dubrow, director of CCCH and a co-author of this study, said the findings suggest that the role of meteorological factors in COVID-19 dynamics is meaningful but not dominant. “Public health measures, including vaccination, mask wearing, and social distancing, represent the primary strategies for mitigating transmission of SARS-CoV-2”.

 

[Deleted member 79939]

Anyone can report anything to VAERS. So in that way it's remarkably similar to Massage Planet... no wonder it's a favourite of the tin foil hat crowd.

There's clearly are no shortage of people out there who will reflexively attribute any adverse health event to a vaccine they've received, even though when you are talking hundreds of millions of people there will be countless numbers of people having random health issues regardless, but paranoid people who got vaccinated attribute everything to vaccines, kinda like the way many people on this board are convinced everything bad that happens to them is the result of some ethnic or religious group...

Like other spontaneous reporting systems, VAERS has several limitations, including underreporting, unverified reports, inconsistent data quality, and inadequate data about the number of people vaccinated. Indeed, an autism activist named Jim Laidler once reported to VAERS that a vaccine had turned him into The Incredible Hulk. The report was accepted and entered into the database, but the dubious nature thereof prompted a VAERS representative to contact Mr. Laidler, who then gave his consent to delete the report.

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Can vaccines lead to less sex for the sex business?

 

[Mav]

Like I mentioned in my original response in this thread, debates are interesting and fun. I do find it a bit on a coincidence that those opposed to vaccination have to scour the web for examples, almost all of them from unofficial, non-medical, or tabloid type media rather than official reports from accredited sources (WHO, university studies, or even any actual legitimate data). If you turn on any of our Canadian news sources - CBC, CP24, Global.... its odd they never bring up any of the examples mentioned that oppose vaccinations. I wonder why that is?

Look, to each their own. It is your life, and you can do with it what you want. In the end, this will go away because of science, not because someone somewhere posted on twitter that vaccinations dont do anything. I would love to see the number of anti-vaxxers who smoke, cigarettes or marijuana, do any recreational drug, drink too much, eat too much, exercise too little, drive a car, take a plane, attend a concert, cross a street.... all of those things can kill you too, and in much higher probability than what can happen with taking a vaccine. But people enjoy being different. They enjoy taking a side and standing up for what they "believe" in. And thats ok.... thats why we get to have these discussions.

I for one want to get the world back to as normal as possible, as fast as possible. I want to travel. I want to attend concerts. I want to have friends and family over at my cottage. The faster we reach our target vaccination numbers, the faster the world opens up - it is as simple as that. If you are ok with things taking a long time, thats your choice. But at this point, not getting a vaccination, whether you believe me or not, is what is slowing the world from reopening.

 

[stripfan]

Like I mentioned in my original response in this thread, debates are interesting and fun. I do find it a bit on a coincidence that those opposed to vaccination have to scour the web for examples, almost all of them from unofficial, non-medical, or tabloid type media rather than official reports from accredited sources (WHO, university studies, or even any actual legitimate data). If you turn on any of our Canadian news sources - CBC, CP24, Global.... its odd they never bring up any of the examples mentioned that oppose vaccinations. I wonder why that is?

Look, to each their own. It is your life, and you can do with it what you want. In the end, this will go away because of science, not because someone somewhere posted on twitter that vaccinations dont do anything. I would love to see the number of anti-vaxxers who smoke, cigarettes or marijuana, do any recreational drug, drink too much, eat too much, exercise too little, drive a car, take a plane, attend a concert, cross a street.... all of those things can kill you too, and in much higher probability than what can happen with taking a vaccine. But people enjoy being different. They enjoy taking a side and standing up for what they "believe" in. And thats ok.... thats why we get to have these discussions.

I for one want to get the world back to as normal as possible, as fast as possible. I want to travel. I want to attend concerts. I want to have friends and family over at my cottage. The faster we reach our target vaccination numbers, the faster the world opens up - it is as simple as that. If you are ok with things taking a long time, thats your choice. But at this point, not getting a vaccination, whether you believe me or not, is what is slowing the world from reopening.

Blood clots aren't rare. You probably know someone who knows someone who had a vaccine blood clot. Although the risk is low , the possibility that the vax will kill you is always there; and you don't know for sure till you take it. Ultimately, taking the vax requires a leap of faith that it won't kill you, for it's no different than playing russian roulette. Anti-vaxxers do not have the faith required, while others do or are completely ignorant of the risks.

 

[kittyhound69]

More women have blood clots taking birth control. Fx guys chill.

 

[Mav]

Blood clots aren't rare. You probably know someone who knows someone who had a vaccine blood clot. Although the risk is low , the possibility that the vax will kill you is always there; and you don't know for sure till you take it. Ultimately, taking the vax requires a leap of faith that it won't kill you, for it's no different than playing russian roulette. Anti-vaxxers do not have the faith required, while others do or are completely ignorant of the risks.

Statistics and Facts - Brain Aneurysm Foundation

An estimated 6.5 million people in the United States have an unruptured brain aneurysm, or 1 in 50 people. The annual rate of rupture is approximately 8 – 10 per 100,000 people. About 30,000 people in the United States suffer a brain aneurysm rupture each year. A brain aneurysm ruptures every 18...

bafound.org

Vaccine-Induced Immune Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia (VITT) Following Adenovirus Vector COVID-19 Vaccination - Ontario COVID-19 Science Advisory Table

This Science Brief provides information for health care professionals about Vaccine-Induced Immune Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia (VITT), also known as Vaccine-Induced Prothrombotic Immune Thrombocytopenia (VIPIT) and Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS). This is a rare adverse event...

covid19-sciencetable.ca

Have a read. You are 8-10 times more likely to have a brain aneurysm any day of your life than you are to get a clot from AZ. Thats pretty scary too but you still wake up in the morning and go on with your life. Is there a risk, yep! Is there a risk just being a living human being? YEP! It is all about weighing what is important to you.

24 people die per year on average from champagne corks. Yet people still love to drink the stuff. Those bloody crazy risk takers!

And in case you havent kept up, Astrazeneca is no longer being offered as a first shot. This is due to the recognition of the small risk of the clot. Neither Pfizer or Moderna carry that risk, or any risk at all worth mentioning. Both of those had better efficacy in trials, and are readily available to anyone who wants one. As I've said theres always a risk in anything you do. You could choke on your flinstone vitamin in the morning. You could slip on ice on the sidewalk and hit your head and die. The difference is, neither of those things are slowing the world from reopening.

Not getting vaccinated is.

 

[Mav]

More women have blood clots taking birth control. Fx guys chill.

Birth control in itself offers a risk of clots to women. Without the vaccine. Yet they still take it.

Another case in point.

I'm chill. Just discussing. I think ive said everything rational needed to say. Onwards and upwards... planning my first trip now that I am permitted to do so without quarantining.

 

[stripfan]

Good article.

Vaccine Remorse hits America

Just like buyer’s remorse after you spend a lot of money on a product that you realize you don’t want, and should not have acquired, millions of Americans are experiencing vaccine remorse after getting jabbed with central nervous system disrupting, blood clotting, dirty Covid-19 vaccines. For...

www.newstarget.com

 

[Marblehead]

Birth control in itself offers a risk of clots to women. Without the vaccine. Yet they still take it.

Another case in point.

I'm chill. Just discussing. I think ive said everything rational needed to say. Onwards and upwards... planning my first trip now that I am permitted to do so without quarantining.

Already had my first trip, walked across the bridge, took a taxi to the Buffalo airport, vacationed, taxi back to the bridge, walked across the bridge back into Canada. Just like the charter says I am permitted to do!
Enjoy your trip.

 

[Mav]

Good article.

Vaccine Remorse hits America

Just like buyer’s remorse after you spend a lot of money on a product that you realize you don’t want, and should not have acquired, millions of Americans are experiencing vaccine remorse after getting jabbed with central nervous system disrupting, blood clotting, dirty Covid-19 vaccines. For...

www.newstarget.com

another reputable source!

 

[Hornet]

another reputable source!

Give it another month and he’ll be quoting

• Dr. Jekyll
• Dr.Dolittle
• Dr.Scholls
• Dr.Ho, and
• Dr. Pepper

 

[altaguetta]

Like I mentioned in my original response in this thread, debates are interesting and fun. I do find it a bit on a coincidence that those opposed to vaccination have to scour the web for examples, almost all of them from unofficial, non-medical, or tabloid type media rather than official reports from accredited sources (WHO, university studies, or even any actual legitimate data). If you turn on any of our Canadian news sources - CBC, CP24, Global.... its odd they never bring up any of the examples mentioned that oppose vaccinations. I wonder why that is?

Look, to each their own. It is your life, and you can do with it what you want. In the end, this will go away because of science, not because someone somewhere posted on twitter that vaccinations dont do anything. I would love to see the number of anti-vaxxers who smoke, cigarettes or marijuana, do any recreational drug, drink too much, eat too much, exercise too little, drive a car, take a plane, attend a concert, cross a street.... all of those things can kill you too, and in much higher probability than what can happen with taking a vaccine. But people enjoy being different. They enjoy taking a side and standing up for what they "believe" in. And thats ok.... thats why we get to have these discussions.

I for one want to get the world back to as normal as possible, as fast as possible. I want to travel. I want to attend concerts. I want to have friends and family over at my cottage. The faster we reach our target vaccination numbers, the faster the world opens up - it is as simple as that. If you are ok with things taking a long time, thats your choice. But at this point, not getting a vaccination, whether you believe me or not, is what is slowing the world from reopening.

 

[altaguetta]

WTF, it's only a couple of kids for fucks sake...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1407758301677359105

"While the extent of heart conditions among youth is currently unclear, a report recently submitted to the Israeli Ministry of Health concluded the risk of developing a heart issue post-vaccine ranged from 1 in 3000 to 1 in 6000 among men aged 16 to 24."


Oh, BTW, The Who doesn't recommend vaccinating people under 18.

What do they know. They're just a rock band...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1407004818879750146