Katie at Santa Clara

[frmthesouthgrl]

I finally was able to fit the lovely Katie into my schedule yesterday. However, after arriving, I find that some idiot has taken advantage of this sweetheart and forced himself on her. Poor girl was a mess and my appointment was cancelled.
I know most of the massageplanet.net audience is above this type of behavior but guy please treat these ladies with respect.

P.S. That idiot needs to be thrown in jail and treated with the respect he gave her.

Sorry for the lecture

 

[The Sophisticated One]

And we wonder why some of these ladies develop attitudes. This is shamefull and shallow.

 

[cumu2me4fun]

I generally don't believe in the archaic philosophy of an eye for an eye, but rationality seems to escape me right now. Feed "him" to the lions.

Although, I doubt the large majority of board members would even consider such a cowardly act, I think your "speech" would fall on deaf ears, in most cases, if anyone who would carry out an act of such aggression were indeed present. It takes a certain type of sociopathic pathetic misogynistic scum to [attempt to] rape a woman.

I've run into a similar situation, where the MPA was obviously traumatised by her previous clients "attempt" at forcing himself upon her. No doubt, it does happen. The thought that any MPA I know or don't know, for that matter, is subjected to such bullshit, is truly sickening.

I'd imagine it to be safer working in a place where there is some form of human intimidation presence. That is not always feasible and shouldn't be necessary though. There are certain MP's that I would think clients are less likely to try such an unmanly, spunkless act at the risk of being torn limb from limb, whether real or perceived.

After thought : I get the impression there is some element of thinking which leans toward the notion that forcing ones self upon an MPA is "more" acceptable and/or "less" despicable than if a non MPA were the victim. It's the same thing. It's not acceptable.

 

[Mirroboy Nick]

I've seen Katie; nice kid. My condoloences go out to her, and my contempt her assailant.

 

[Maev]

Very true Poolie. I wish we could clone BBG so that he could be present during situations such as this one.

 

[daza3033]

Since I read this thread, this subject has been on my mind. Not that it's really anything new, as unfortunately, I've heard stories similar to this over time.

What really surprises me is the lack of response to this thread. Maybe people are wiser than me and know that expressing their views can't change what has been done, but in my mind it's something worthwhile imposing the view that it is unacceptable. I don't mean dwelling on the specific incident, as I doubt that's what would be wanted by parties involved in the context of 'massageplanet.net', but the issue itself.

I find it strange that people feel the need to express their opinion in a Tarah hair pulling tiff, because she didn't hold their hand; a thread which can go on for days and many pages, with numerous passionate reactions. While a thread like this sinks into oblivion.

It's just an observation, not necessarily a judgement of anyone, as I'm sure many feel the same way, but just deal with things differently or have more zen.

I don't even know the girl concerned in this "alleged" incident. I only say alleged because it's being relayed through a third party. Just because I've never met her doesn't make the thought of such an incident any less deplorable.

Possibly my somewhat emotional, judgemental, self righteous, preachy, holier than thou post was a little overboard and detracted from the subject, but I didn't mean to wear my ethics on my sleeve. However, I don't think I'm really stating any sort of "higher morality" or code that is beyond reasonable standards.

ok, I'll shut up ... for now ...

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don't mind me, I'm losing it ...

 

[METROPOLIS1]

I don't know Katie and I don't know what to say other than echoing Happy's wish that she is alright. I hope she gets over this incident. Though I'm sure she won't forget it for a very long time.

It's disturbing. I know you are a thoughtful fellow pool and have meditated on what to say about this for a while. We could all write in well wishes for Katie and maybe that would help in some way. I don't know what else to say about this incident.

I did become aware of a different but similar incident recently. Similar in that there was abuse but the circumstances were quite different. And possibly because I know the girl involved it effected me quite differently. I know exactly what I would have done had I been there, but I wasn't.

I hope that the police were contacted and a description given. The girls in this industry should not have to put up with this nonsense.

 

[Hayley S]

Pool
One way to look at the lack of responses here is to assume that we as a group don't care. I don't interpret it this way. I choose to believe that there are few responses because everyone agrees with the sentiments expressed. With no opinions to the contrary there is simply no argument. We all wish her well and we all wish we had this guy in a dark ally. I'd rather see us all be extra nice to the ladies we see so they know we care about and respect them, than to read an endless list of identical sentiments posted here.
Taz

 

[artmeistro]

Well said Taz. And Pool, some of us are not nearly as articulate as you. Because we agree with your sentiments, but really can't express them any better than you have, we (or at least I) tend not to respond.

As far as meeting this bastard in a dark alley, I'd rather confront him in front of his family and his co-workers. A beating heals, but exposing him for the scum he is will damage him forever.

Henry

 

[b8ee1]

Pool,

I don't think anyone does not feel sympathy for Katie and distain for the assailant. I think the problem is that this topic hits a nerve on many levels that we find difficult to attach the proper emotion and response.

On the one hand, there is a common distain for the act that happened to an attendant that not all of us knew. That doesn't lessen the vileness of the act but it also doesn't hit us as hard because we cannot picture the attendant. If it was an attendant that more or us have seen I think the response may have been greater earlier.

On another hand, much of us who hobby think of it as a more or less healthy activity (as long as it is not overdone). We also want to think of it as safe and clean. This activity jars our senses that there is a shady side to this hobby that we may have chosen to mentally surpress. Posting a reaction may require us to re-evaluate our hobbying.

Regardless of the assault being in the hobby or not how do you articulate your response in a meaningfull manner while respecting the gravity of the circumstances. It's fairly easy to respond to a Tarah bashing thread because we've been there before, have a relative understanding of the issues, and probably have a prescribed response to an issue that at the end of the day is not all that serious. However, this issue requires us to think about it in more depth then craft a worthy response and that takes time as well.

 

[XArmed For BattleX^3]

You all make very good and valid points. I knew I was missing something and other things I just felt a need to confirm. I didn't mean to imply that nobody cares, although I suppose in essence that is how it came across.

Taz, I fully agree that reiterating the same sentiments over and over would be redundant, but I tend to look at it like a consensus of the majority who condemn such acts as pathetic and inhuman. If that standard is set then it just may be somewhat of a deterrent or awaken some insight, if, in fact, any individual is present who may be tempted to act on their desires in the future. I'm probably dreaming, as usual ... I would hope that to be the case as well Rev, but I'm not sure how feasible bringing LE into it would be, given the circumstances or even how much legitimacy they would give to the situation with it being an MPA.

I mentioned it as an after thought earlier in this thread, that I get the impression there is a general mentality that sees such acts as "less" of a "violation" or more "acceptable" given the fact it is an MPA. I'm in no way saying that is everyones outlook, but I think that mindset does exist. There is no difference. It is a violation if it is against her will. There is no grey area in respect to that. I dunno, Oh Henry, you articulated that pretty damn well. I think you hit one of the nails right on the head, Hornet, and I get a feeling many threads which pertain to the negative side of hobbying have this effect. And yes, this subject does cause me to re-evaluate. Not such a bad thing. One of the things that bothered me is that there may be the ostrich phenomena at work.
That's partly what bothered me as well. People tend not to empathise with "faceless victims" in general, but if this thread had been about one of the top MPA's at one of the top spas, I'm pretty sure all hell would have been broken loose and there would be no doubt that massageplanet.net as a collective group of males has no tolerance and looks down on such bullshit. ( however, inconsequential that may or may not be ) You are right, Happy, and I didn't mean to come across as patronising or give them less credit than they are due. No doubt they are aware of the risks and many do find the strength to deal with the situation and/or the emotional aspect. I still find it sad that it's an issue at all. It's one thing to detach oneself voluntarily ( which some do to varying degrees ) from something that was a personal decision, but to have to deal with shit imposed upon you against your will is another story.

Possibly spas that do not have a BBG on staff or a built guy of any other hair colour for that matter should consider it, if indeed that is a concern of the girls.

 

[uwaiu]

Just a thought, revolver. Can the girls really call the police over something like that? I mean, Isn't there job and what they do against the law? Wouldn't they be bringing on legal repercusions by calling the cops. Don't get me wrong, I thik it's aweful, and the guy should go to jail for the rest of his life, but can they really call the cop?

 

[P-Man]

tealriver- i think women in this business NEED to call the cops when something like this happens. In an incident when an mpa is taken advantage of, or worse- a sex crimes officer would be sent over and they would not be concerned with giving the mpa a $50 fine for working in an mp. That would be like charging a victim of an attempt of murder case with drug possesion. It is irrelevant and by far not the most important issue. Maybe this is why so many guys in this hobby try shit like that- because they think that the mpa will be too afraid to report what happened in fear that they will get in trouble for working where they do. I think it is terrible what happened to Katie, but on the same hand it is pretty difficult to find a guy who probably used a fake name. Perhaps there are cameras where Katie works that could assist with this case.

 

[Monkey]

Rockyroad, I didn't mean any disrespect by what I asked. I was just wondering how something like that would be handled . I don't want you to think I would ever try something like that.

 

[Some Slack]

Hopefully the folks there can give a description of this dick such that ladies at other spas don't have to face this shithead's antics/abuse. As for the LE, I think they would co-operate more than you think - assault is assault.

 

[SoSo]

Tealriver- i didn't mean anything towards you about my explanation about the legal system. I was just answering your question because a lot of people don't know how these things would be dealt with. I was more writing it for any mpas on the board to give them info, not so much for the guys. Cheers!

 

[EroCen]

Thanks rocky, that's pretty much what I intended to say ...

 

[dado]

Let's just hope that Katie can recover emotionally from something this sick and that the bastard gets caught real soon.

I've seen Katie a couple of times and she seems like a very genuine nice person.

 

[Steel city]

This is really bad. I hope something happens to the assailant to balance the books. I can't add anything more to what has already been well said.

 

[weddingdressesunnf]

Unfortunately, that particular road leads in pretty dark directions.

The guy is, after such despicable actions, well deserving of some form of "justice," but if it happened via some sort of vigilantism, that would add a further dark pall over something that seems quite dark enough already.

Unfortunately, the likes of the "Studio B" girls are likely amongst the more vulnerable to this; they operate in a place where avoiding police attention is mostly preferable, which unfortunately leaves them mostly outside police protection, as well. (Taking such a case to court would be extremely awkward for anyone that isn't pretty public about their MPA "career.")

Throwing in a "thug" to 'balance the books' amounts to adding someone that bears an unfortunate functional resemblance to a "pimp," and I don't think that's terribly positive for anyone involved.

If I knew that there would be a large "bruiser" sort of character hanging around, that would make me considerably less likely to visit them, as I wouldn't particularly like the resulting intimidation.

The situation certainly puts a high priority on being particularly nice to Katie; she certainly is a sweet girl, and I wish the best for her. If she sticks around, hopefully she gets "rained on" with positive support...