LE @ Muse

[Nev]

Hands down ... Ms. Jade http://www.musemassagespa.com/attendants/jade.php

 

[swayyde12]

I believe Muse Management is incorrect on peep holes with respect to bodyrubs. I went and reviewed the link provided by IL and for my own knowledge decided to see what the differences were between the two licenses.

BodyRubs in City of Toronto do not require peep holes based on my experience - and I do not notice it in the code. Some outside of the GTA do, even though those by-laws speicially allow nudity and bodyslides and are more liberal.

Two significant differences I noted through scanning the documentL

1) Bodyrubs have no specific by-law provisions requiring covered areas on people or not allowing touching of certain areas by either party, like 549-185 or 549-186 that holistics are required to adhere to - or I do not see it in the code. It seems like the Bodyrub codes don't really say what is or what is not allowed nudity and touching wise, unless I missed something.

2) Bodyrub practitioners are required medical checks for license purposes, not holistic practitioners. I guess its some acceptance of what goes on at bodyrubs to a degree.

I alos noticed for both we are supposed to get receipts each time, lol.

Of course regardless of the by laws, criminal law regarding the offering of sexual services overrules by-laws if things that the community does not like is going on, whether it is a bodyrub or holistic. As customers cops are the real heat for us, not by law.

 

[Poe Bird: Hiding in B&A]

Wow Like Jade ex-HFH.

 

[yardwork]

No, I am simply referring to the Brampton Bylaw as it stands now. No where in the bylaw does it say that there must be 2 feet on the ground at all times. Mississauga's Body Rub bylaw stipulates however that you must have 2 feet on the ground at all times which is why they don't advertise bodyslides on their websites.

Here is a link: Check it out and read carefully please. http://www.city.brampton.on.ca/bylaws/licensing.pdf

THE COUNCIL of the Corporation of the City of Brampton ENACTS as follows:
“body-rub” includes the kneading, manipulating, rubbing, massaging, touching, or
stimulating, by any means, of a person’s body or part thereof but does not include
medical or therapeutic treatment given by a person otherwise duly qualified, licensed or
registered so to do under the laws of the Province of Ontario.


But with a holistic spa such as Muse is it legal for the attendant to be nude?

 

[larry141094]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Romeo
Muse is the only spa that I know that adheres to all the bylaws.

Horney Senior:
I'm not so sure about that. Check out the by-laws, specifically 545-185.

Thanks for this Horney Senior

http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/municode/1184_545.pdf

 

[@l!$h@]

So it is fair to say that someone who says "Bodyslides are not permitted" is equally incorrect. Post ruling, the by-law neither permits or restricts the activity, if I am reading correctly.

And I'm not sure how this ruling applies to holistics anyway as they are bound to the nudity and contact provisons of .185 and .186 which bodyrubs are not. It would be hard to perform a bodyslide, moral or not, without violating the nudity and contact clauses of the holistic license.

 

[GoTexansGo]

Thank you for answering this question for me. Holistic spa's are not permitted legally to provide a nude massage.

 

[johnjp10]

I was really curious about the peepholes in Brampton, so I looked up the by-law out of curiosity:

http://www.city.brampton.on.ca/bylaws/licensing.pdf

See number 9 on page 83 of 106.

"9. Every owner or operator shall ensure that each door to every room or cubicle where body-rubs are or may be provided, has a window that is a minimum 4 cm by 4 cm at a height of 1.5 metres in the middle of the door and remains unobstructed at all times (By-law 377-2002, 50-2008)."

I guess the bottom line is THIS:
The by-laws for the various municipalities are all available online.It took me less than 10 minutes to pull up Toronto, then Brampton and find the relevent sections.Educate yourself and decide what risk YOU'RE willing to take!!Understand the difference between Bodyrub and Holistic licenses in the CITY OF TORONTO.Understand ANY business that is subject to licensing is subject to by-law ENFORCEMENT.

 

[Mariah]

Not permitted by by-laws, ... BUT can't see a nude massage in itself being a crime.

IMO, Its the stuff beyond the massage at both holistics and bodyrubs that put us at risk. This is where the found-in laws come into play and no by-law will protect you.

Wheter either license are more prone to police heat in practice, I am not sure... I tend to stay away from risky regions, for example The York Region.

 

[Gio]

Muse's next MPA should call herself Ellie.

 

[good guy]

Its strange that neither the By-Laws of Toronto or Brampton bodyrubs specifically spell out what is or what is not allowed, but yet it seems that is generally accepted in Brampton that services like bodyslides can be openly communicated.

So I guess the interpreation of by-laws also varies from region to region, even if stated similarly.

 

[Pompal 09.]

Yup it appears that body rub is the way to go!

 

[Pompal 09.]

I would say though that if a spa continouly irritates by-law or gets on the wrong side of some at the municipal level, they are at higher risk of police heat.

 

[Paul in San Diego]

Retired in the MPA hall of fame.

 

[MtBikr]

I dont think it nessasary to be so rude, but obviously it is a very touchy subject for MUSE management, I appriciate this board for reasons such as these, and maybe you should respect the fact that other people's opinion may defer from yours, I would not trust MP owners at the end of the day I'm sure its not going to be YOU that pays for my "john" charge.

I also now that the bylaw enforcement do accompany the police officers and have every right to open the door by force, if they belive that there is ANY sort of illegal activities, or services offered. if you can prove that point wrong than maybe I will head back to holistic centers, otherwise BYE!

 

[Marissa B]

Reason GT stick with MP & MPA that play within limits.

 

[Wendy b]

I don't think anyone was rude. They merely point out differ in interpretations.

Don't think anyone mentioned any Bylaw with uniforms.

Over the years, GT been at few MPs during license check, each time you may or may not hear them, never have they ever peep in the room or even walk down that hallway. The session continue btw, make sure towel covers the butt.

Holistic or otherwise, if there's any illegal activities, there'll be heat.

You minimize your risk by sticking with a licensed MP that play by the rules.

 

[vickky :)]

lmao

 

[Akhmet]

She is alive and well, very well, hangook yujah

 

[HOPE FOR GOOD.]

I find this post as being a little rude, A) by demanding that you should "keep reading" and b) " by insinuating that we are all ignorant to the bylaws
C) that we should not post how we feel as clients and as massageplanet.net members........ correct me if I'm wrong!