My 6 year involvement with HIV treatment / 7 year visits to Patong

[dark_sapphire21]

Does kissing and making up pose a risk too?

 

[Joshua]

It is possible to get gonorhhea, syphilis, or herpes, to name a few that I know of. All of which I consider to be serious, particularly the first two, as they can make you blind, crazy(dementia), or kill you dead! The last one can only make you very miserable, on and off, for the rest of your life!:

 

[Frodo31]

You'll be waiting a while because I couldn't be a*sed arguing about it any more. Do what you like mate. It's your life, you're a grown man and you live in the joint. You're better placed to make an assessment than me.



No, that's YOU using statistics to the point of absurdity. I was trying to answer your point about infection numbers vs infection rates.

If we take your argument exclusively, i.e. purely on numbers of infections, that would mean that a country with a smaller relative population could be seen as having no HIV problem yet 75% of it's people might be infected. That's just as ridiculous as the two person town analogy. Both statistics need to be looked at as with others like method of infection etc.

Anyway, I'm bored with this. I'm HIV negative and plan to stay that way. Put your c*ck where you like.

BTW, that was a really good story you linked up to about Aom. That's just a great read from a human point of view.

 

[Isa Bella]

Not that it matters but DJaust has NO input on this thread at all.:aao:
It is DJDave who YOU should be praising.

 

[Pompal 09.]

OK, I give up! The stats are for what country, province, state, island, peninsula, continent or archipelago? Are they the # of cases for a month, year, week, day, century, or millenium?

 

[Elise Jane]

OK.. I will have to do some more reading.. I was of the understanding that you had to be on the giving end not the recieveing end..

Also dont you need to have visible sores for syph transmission to a mucous membrane ?? So add in that sores around the mouth would be a no no.. Plus that (as I thought this was.. could be way out) that oral to geneital was REALLY hard.. Plus the fact that a single injection cures Syph (if treated within like a year).. You can scrub syph off my worry list..

As to Gonorrhea again I had read that only the giver is at risk.. Agin one injection or simple course of anti biotics usually clears it up..

Herpes is a nasty one (and condoms dont stop it !!) but there are two types of herpes simplex.. One is oral herpes (cold sores) and one is genital herps.. I didnt think that you could catch genital herpes from an oral herpes infection.. Will go and have another look..

 

[deroflame]

Of course thats me using them to the point of absurdity.. That was my point.. stats mean nothing without context..

I then provided you with many.. One showing a near 10 fold decrease in new infections..



So it was bloke down the pub staistics again was it.. THATS what pi55es me off !!!

I am always up for reasonable dabate on the subject but lets keep it at least factual.. Gueswork and scaremongering does no one any good in the control of this disease..

You have to remember NGO's get funded on reports.. Alarmist reports get more money.. That money is not direct at the actual problem solving like the carillion center but used to keep more and more beaurocrats and bean counters employed..

And yes Aoms story is a heartbreak..

 

[adrian14752]

A point I missed completely, Chief Inspector...

 

[Harold]

With a face like that you are not likely to catch HIV or put your coc* anywhere!:aan:

Kidding man, proberly is not your face at all, and if it is.....Mai pen Rai, but you WILL need many bath!:cheers:

 

[Saraccureflef]

For my bible study group last sunday

 

[nickjonas4life]

Nice to know they are promoting sex risks' education in Oz. I think they should have those coasters in every bar, anywhere, esp. in LOS! :cheers:

They should also drop a condom pack in every drink served in beer bars. When you drained you glass, you would always get a reminder to play safe. And save a Baht or two, not to mention the occasional life!!

Can you imagine chugging one down and PLOP! you get smacked the the eye with a a condom pack!! Hey, what's that.....OMG!!! And just when thoughts of BBing were creeping into your intoxicated brain, you naughty man!!:cheers:

 

[NOt Me]

Please engage brain before posting.:mad2: If you cannot even get BMs names right , perhaps you should actually read the post before putting your foot in your mouth - again.:bangin:

 

[talker1996]

I already copped that already "Sir"

But to be honest I could not be bothered even posting about it :aao:

 

[Missy.]

herpes, Same Disease different location, it can be passed from mouth to genitals. Ghonorrhea can also be passed qite easily via oral sex I believe.

 

[mushroom]

So it was bloke down the pub staistics again was it.. THATS what pi55es me off !!!

I am always up for reasonable dabate on the subject but lets keep it at least factual.. Gueswork and scaremongering does no one any good in the control of this disease..
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Now, let me re-cap here....where are we up to with this?

1. I suggested that some people were taking a head in the sand approach to Phoenix's and eurogirlinthai's posts.
2. I made the point that Patong is a sex tourism destination and that contact rates are thought to be between 1 in 30 and 1 in 50 according to data I have read. True, I didn't verify the data.
3. You then asked how there can be a discrepancy between numbers of infections and rates of infection. I answered by giving an example.
4. You then posted data that shows that infection rates are declining in Thailand. I don't dispute your data.

I'm really happy there were ONLY 19,000 - 25,000 new infections in 2004. That's so much better than the 29,000 from 2002. I'm relieved.

And to top off the good news, there are also only say, 600,000 people with the disease. Again, I'm so relieved. That's only 1 in 100 of the total Thai population. Could it be that sex workers would have higher rates of infection, say 1 in 75 or 1 in 50? Maybe.

I should also point out that your data does not mean that Thailand cannot conceivably have the highest infection rate in the world. Just because it's infection rate drops from one year to the next relative to itself, does not mean that it's infection rate can't be the highest relative to others. Using extreme statistics again, if every sexual act resulted in an infection in 2003, yet dropped so only every second act resulted in HIV in 2004, you could argue that (a) HIV infection rates had halved and also (b) that HIV infection rates were still 500 times the world average. But anyway...

Also, I'd assume those statistics would not take into account farang who present with symptoms in their own countries. Do you know perhaps that if say an Australian man presents in Australia with HIV, Australian authorities will advise the country where he picked up the disease so they can add that person to their statistics as well. Phrased another way, if someone picks up HIV in Thailand and is diagnosed in his own country, who adds another patient to their list. Thai or farang government? Exactly.

So one infected woman in Thailand could possibly infect multiple partners from elsewhere and this data will not show up in the local statistics.

Again put another way, it could well be that maybe 40,000 people get infected each year in Thailand but only 20,000 get reported in Thailand's statistics.

Yep, you may be right, mine might be just an argument based on doomsday and scaremongering hearsay from drunks in bars. It might not be too!! Funny though, Australia has one of the lowest rates of HIV infection in the world despite having a huge gay population in Sydney, (and not just per-capita but actual numbers of gay people), and average drug injection rates. The reason? A withering advertising campaign based on fear and ignorance way back in the 80's.

Then the gay community got complacent in the mid 90s and the infection rates spiked a bit. More scaremongering and things settled back down again.

So scaremongering and shock tactics have been proven to work.

My point only ever was that to shove your head in the sand about HIV is stupid. Putting your uncovered c*ck into hookers anywhere in the world is fraught with danger. To do so in the world's predominant sex tourism destination is playing russian roullette.

I'll put in a disclaimer here and say this is only IMHO and is not backed up with any specific facts, just based on a hunch and feeling I get from talking with my mates at the bar and from what I can observe with my own two peepers.

 

[IamTheBest]

Giving or receiving?

 

[LeeV18]

I didn't see ya there today! Where were ya? Everyone was asking for you!

 

[Pompal 09.]

As we all well know, Thailand is an easy target for the preachers.

In the same way Bangkok is an easy target fot all the media myths about the place, that it's just one big sex pit, pedo's paradise blah blah blah..etc..

Of course I could just as easily contract HIV in my home town or on holiday in Greece or Spain or anywhere for that matter but the preachers never seem to hit on that. Just something I've noticed about them along the way.

I agree with you and Steve, once again people are flying onto this board trying to insult the intelligence of the bm's.

 

[bobthebulider]

http://www.brown.edu/Student_Services/Health_Services/Health_Education/sexual_health/sti/oralsex.htm



Does that mean as long as I have no d1ck sores I am ok ??




Not vice versa ?!?!

 

[H-B-P]

So it was bloke down the pub staistics again was it.. THATS what pi55es me off !!!

I am always up for reasonable dabate on the subject but lets keep it at least factual.. Gueswork and scaremongering does no one any good in the control of this disease..
QUOTE]


Now, let me re-cap here....where are we up to with this?

1. I suggested that some people were taking a head in the sand approach to Phoenix's and eurogirlinthai's posts.
2. I made the point that Patong is a sex tourism destination and that contact rates are thought to be between 1 in 30 and 1 in 50 according to data I have read. True, I didn't verify the data.
3. You then asked how there can be a discrepancy between numbers of infections and rates of infection. I answered by giving an example.
4. You then posted data that shows that infection rates are declining in Thailand. I don't dispute your data.

I'm really happy there were ONLY 19,000 - 25,000 new infections in 2004. That's so much better than the 29,000 from 2002. I'm relieved.

And to top off the good news, there are also only say, 600,000 people with the disease. Again, I'm so relieved. That's only 1 in 100 of the total Thai population. Could it be that sex workers would have higher rates of infection, say 1 in 75 or 1 in 50? Maybe.

I should also point out that your data does not mean that Thailand cannot conceivably have the highest infection rate in the world. Just because it's infection rate drops from one year to the next relative to itself, does not mean that it's infection rate can't be the highest relative to others. Using extreme statistics again, if every sexual act resulted in an infection in 2003, yet dropped so only every second act resulted in HIV in 2004, you could argue that (a) HIV infection rates had halved and also (b) that HIV infection rates were still 500 times the world average. But anyway...

Also, I'd assume those statistics would not take into account farang who present with symptoms in their own countries. Do you know perhaps that if say an Australian man presents in Australia with HIV, Australian authorities will advise the country where he picked up the disease so they can add that person to their statistics as well. Phrased another way, if someone picks up HIV in Thailand and is diagnosed in his own country, who adds another patient to their list. Thai or farang government? Exactly.

So one infected woman in Thailand could possibly infect multiple partners from elsewhere and this data will not show up in the local statistics.

Again put another way, it could well be that maybe 40,000 people get infected each year in Thailand but only 20,000 get reported in Thailand's statistics.

Yep, you may be right, mine might be just an argument based on doomsday and scaremongering hearsay from drunks in bars. It might not be too!! Funny though, Australia has one of the lowest rates of HIV infection in the world despite having a huge gay population in Sydney, (and not just per-capita but actual numbers of gay people), and average drug injection rates. The reason? A withering advertising campaign based on fear and ignorance way back in the 80's.

Then the gay community got complacent in the mid 90s and the infection rates spiked a bit. More scaremongering and things settled back down again.

So scaremongering and shock tactics have been proven to work.

My point only ever was that to shove your head in the sand about HIV is stupid. Putting your uncovered c*ck into hookers anywhere in the world is fraught with danger. To do so in the world's predominant sex tourism destination is playing russian roullette.

I'll put in a disclaimer here and say this is only IMHO and is not backed up with any specific facts, just based on a hunch and feeling I get from talking with my mates at the bar and from what I can observe with my own two peepers.