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Operation or Not

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Hi all

Had first discetomy 12yrs ago, aged 16 and have once again after the pain (i'm sure u are all aware of) have been diagnosed with a prolasped disc at the same level L4/L5 (i think)

I am booked in for a discetomy in 2 weeks time. However since my appointments with the consultant the pain level has dropped considerably and the weakness in my foot improved. Things still arent right, as am still experience all the same symptons (ankle pain, pins and needles in foot when standing and back soreness) as before just much less painful. Although not at work i am now coping with everyday life and am trying to sit for many hours to prepare for going back to my desk bound job.

On that note above - i rang the consultant to ask for another appointment to discuss my improvements - however he still thinks it is worth operating on.
I am stressing out BIG time now, because i am not sure if having the op is worth it and than stressing thinking if i dont have it, will the problem just rear its ugly head some months down the line. Work have been great this time round but am not so sure they will if it happens again. On the other hand having an op for the sake of it also seems crazy. Everyone keeps saying have the op and get it over and done with but its not that simply is it.

Any ideas??

Thanks all
 
to me having a back op is the last resort,when I was working I saw so many people who did not improve after an op, so when my consultant said he could guarantee I would benefit from an op, he said it could also make it worse. my opinion is if you can do without ,try.
 
Thanks Crytal Rose

Have taken ur advice and delayed the operation for now. We have decided to revisit my options in another months time. The dr is concerned about the length of time i have had my symptons, but respects i want more time to see if the body is doing its own thing to correct itself - lets hope

Thanks again
 
Hi

Similar to you I had an operation 7 years ago for a prolapse disc at L5/S1 and experienced great relief afterwards.

In June of last year the same symptoms returned and I was off work for 6 months. After eventually being given an MRI scan it was determined that I had another prolapse, this time at L4/L5, and it seemed that I would need another op.

My symptoms have gradually settled down of their own accord and I have returned to work. I will always have to be careful with my movements etc, but it is a blessing to be able to get up and be able to move around at all.

I would only consider an operation when their is no relief from the pain and life is seriously impaired because of it.

You may want to look at the thread "Discectomy - After the Operation" which has lots of feedback from people with the same problems.

Good luck x
 
Hi Mad Maz - (love the tag)

Have your symptons settled down completely now? I still have some leg pains, weak(ish) ankle and pins and needles when standing up from sitting.
I've got another appointment with surgeon in 3 wks to make my final decision so in the meantime i am going to try and get back to "normal" I'm going back to work on tuesday just to see how it goes - bit nervous.
Do you think having some physio within the next 3 weeks mite be benifical? Have never been offered this as an option by doctor, so will pay to see one i have used before.

Take good care xx
 
Hello Snake bite.

I Have had 24 operations,non on my back about the only place so far, i had my last op in november for a decompression operation on my arm,
it was a physio that i went to diagnosed it, i found her to be very good, im having physio now after the op, but by different physios but not as good,
a friend of mine refuses to have any op without discusing it with her chiroprector first, you could ask them for a second opinion it cant hurt can it?.

take care
 
Hey Blackcrow - wow u have been through the wars - sounds terrible. Hope ur currently in good health

You are so right about the second opinion - went to see the physio today and she said she was happy to see me for a few sessions and see if i am improving like i think i am. Its nice, as you say to have that opinion from someone else, and more importantly someone who would normally be biased against surgery (unless it is absoluty necessary). Hopefullly this way I can make a much more informed decision.

Thanks for you post x
 
have had accupuncture,heat/cold therapy and massage wich makes the pain worse and this has been since sept 08,should i have the op? all the best and keep us posted.
 
For many people massage combined with core strenthening exercises (pilates), stretching/yoga and Alexander technique works well. I think an operation should always be the very last resort, as a lot of people actually get worse afterwards!
 
Pre or post op I would strongly suggest Pilates - as a dedicated fan and teacher of Pilates I will say the body likes to move, that's what we were designed to do. Sitting for long periods in prep for the 9-5 desk job is not ideal. Prepare the body by stretching out tension and strengthening weak muscles and improve your posture. Weak muscles will vary from person to person but most people can benefit from strengthening their tummy's and back to support their spine.


Hope this helps and good luck.
 
As another Pilates teacher I totally agree with seren100 about the importance of doing Pilates both pre and post op. Make sure you find a teacher who has that extra knowledge of your condition and can give you the more specific exercises to help you.
Good luck to you,
Fitbird
x
 
I have been having sciatic pain since april of this year, which when it first started was unbearable. I have now had an mri and have been advised that i have stenosis of the spinal canal and the bottom left disc is bulging. I have now seen a surgeon who has advised me that my only option is to be operated on. Im not even sure what operation im having, he said it was to shave the bone but when i spoke with his secretary she said it was a dysectomy. The pain has eased off considerably, even to the point of some days I dont even need pain releif but even when i do its only paracetomol. Im really scared to have this opeartion, but im unsure of what will happen if i dont have it. I have a few problems walking, its not painful, my gait is just off balance. Is there anyone who can give me some advise, im only 36 and feel a bit young to be having these problems.
 
I'm not a doctor nor have I had any serious disc/spine problems myself, but from what I've heard, surgery should really be your very last option. The success rate is fairly low: many people continue to have the same symptoms, or much worse, after this type of surgery. So if you can manage it with things like massage, pilates, stretching/yoga and some tailor-made orthotics, then I would definitely avoid surgery...
 
Hi NicolaHodgskin,

I would not have an operation unless you absolutely have to.
I have had a L5 S1 discectomy on 29th April 2009 and am currently recovering having gone back to work after 8.5 weeks although I could have gone back after 6 weeks.
It sounds like the sciatica is not that bad as paracetomol is nothing strong to take to get rid of the pain.
As others have said, pilates is a fantastic way of building up core strength.
The sooner you can join a class, the better.
I am surprised you have been told you need an operation if the sciatica is going over a period of time.
A book suggested by a number of members on this forum is called the Back Sufferers bible. Having read it, I can only state the same. I understand my back so much more know.
Physiotherapists and chiropractors can help you with sciatica problems.
I would always say to see the physiotherapist first although this is only from personal experience.
My final piece of advice is you need to find the root of the cause.
I have also got a slight L4/L5 disc bulge although if I manage it, it should be OK.
My back problems have developed due to heavy lifting, playing sports and not warming up or cooling down as well as suffering injuries and not letting them heal fully.
Ask yourself or a good physiotherapist why you are suffering this problem?
I found out what I had done wrong by going to a good physio.
Finally, I am 37. People younger than 36 suffer with sciatica.
One of my swimmimg instructors in her early twenties told me she suffered with a pain in her left buttock when we were talking about sciatica and back problems.
I told her it was due to not warming up and cooling down which she confirmed she did not do.
Hope some of this advice helps.

Best wishes

dalep115
 
Just a quick pointer, do your research with anyone and everyone in the back treatment game get as much info as possible.
If you are thinking of surgery, then Google, minimally invasive spine surgery and endoscopic laser surgery in the world wide mode.

It's your back, your decision!

Happy hunting and yes, it will take time!

SPINELF
 
Hi all

Thanks all for your responses. After a good few months agonizing over my decision to have or not to have revision l4/l5 surgery - i finally went for it. I was coping quite well however there was never a "clear" painfree day and my dr advised it would plague me until i had something done - at 28 I had in my eyes, to hedge my bets - so went for it.
Well I'm a week post op now and thankfully am feeling fantastic. No more leg pain, some muscle spasm and of course a slighty bruised feeling wound - other than that am up and about doing as much as possible without going over board of course (dont wanna be back there any time soon).
I know many of you guys have not been so fortunate and are still suffering and my heart really does go out to you.
I do however want to share my positive story and wish you all the very best and hope your finding as much comfort in reading these posts as I did, when nearly pulling my hair out in pain and confusion.
 
That's great news Snakebite, I'm glad you're feeling good and it all went well!
 
I'm glad you have found relief, go easy on the rehab.

Best wishes

SPINELF.
 
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    Spring Green Spa - 72 Gerrard St W. 2/Fl - 647-891-0699Today we have 5 girls on Thursday๏ผšNew Polish gril gigi๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ Vittoria- Sweet school girl with a large serving of naughtiness Angela- Slim beauty with long legs and nice proportions Julia- Exotic...
  29. Sparkling Spa:
    Sassy Jennifer and MUI CALIENTE STELLA ready for you @Sparkling Spa๐Ÿ‘ŒMENTION OUR ADS AND RECEIVE A ROOM DISCOUNT $35 FOR 30MIN, $50 FOR 45MINโ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phone 50 LOCKRIDGE AVE UNIT#8
  30. Suko 5Girls:
    Suko Spa schdule today on Thursday is 6 lovely๐Ÿ’“ladies๐Ÿ’‡ Penny, Rina, Emily, Olivia, Sunny and Jessica ๐Ÿ›ฃ 420 ValleymedeDr, Richmond Hill, same plaza McDonalds ๐Ÿ“žโ˜Ž 905-597-8880 โ˜Ž
  31. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡Young CBC Rachel tonight 8pm-2am, Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Slim Petite Chinese Suki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie
  32. Reynaella:
    6 girls working at Reynaella wellness, 3555 14th Ave unit #7 Markham โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-470-8082
  33. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ KAJAL, SARIKA and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  34. Lulu1980:
    Hi guys ๐ŸŒนPhoenix blossom Spa โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธ3 girls every day ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐Ÿฅฐ๐ŸฅฐNew girl today Kittyโค๏ธpetite and sexy skin๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนProfessional table shower body scrub๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฐ and so nice Cici and Jenny is very good๐Ÿ‘ deep Deep Tissue Massage ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366
  35. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ(437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Anna๐Ÿ˜˜- A stunning sexy girl from Hong Kong
  36. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 818-8896โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Suki๐Ÿ˜is beautiful short petite tiny sexy student from Cambodia. Exotic features and model looks, Suki has a nice bum, slim waist, flat stomach and very good massage skills and has a great playful personality. Suki has a beautiful sexy
  37. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young sweet Japanese Lily 36DDD and young pretty fun Sally, young cute Ivy with curve body and beautiful GFE Ella are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available,350 Wilson Ave North York
  38. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  39. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl pretty face big boobs nice figure deep massage Candy, Young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Vivian,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  40. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡Young CBC Rachel tonight 8pm-2am, Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Slim Petite Chinese Suki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie
  41. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 7 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ LUCY, MALIYA, PAOLA, AMANDA, SANA, MAY, KIRAN, ANGEL ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  42. Dreaminn:
    THURSDAY at ๐Ÿ’ญDREAM INN WELLNESS SPA๐Ÿ’ญ: HELEN, KELLY & VIVI 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie) Richmond Hill, ON โ˜Ž๏ธ 647-829-2983 โ˜Ž๏ธ HELEN is a slim & sexy Asian beauty. Some say Helen bears a strong resemblance to the previous Purple Sugar boss Nana. KELLY is a young & pretty Asian girl, very slim, 5โ€™3โ€ with very liberal services.
  43. GoldenFlower:
    THURSDAY at ๐Ÿ’›โญ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒป GOLDEN FLOWER SPA๐ŸŒป ๐ŸŒŸโญ๐Ÿ’›, 8380 Kennedy Rd, Unit C6 (Kennedy & Hwy 7), Markham, ON 905-258-0777: Elizabeth, Mika & Mimi are working to 8pm. After 8pm: Sherry & Tracy. 10am-8pm: Mika is a sexy petite Vietnamese lady who can take good care of all your needs. Mimi is young honey who can rock your world. After 8pm: Sherry is an attractive slim Asian sweetie.
  44. ASPA:
    ๐—ง๐—›๐—จ๐—ฅ๐—ฆ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ๐—”๐—ง ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Fox, Coco & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น[/color] ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ FOX is 26 years old with 34Cโ€™s, stands 164Cm tall and weighs 54Kg. Fox is very friendly and can provide a great girlfriend experience.
  45. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธHelen & Jenny. Helen is a sweet and very lovable Asian beauty with just enough curves to tease you, and an attitude to please you. Jenny has a medium build, nicely curved with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy.
  46. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Sofia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass.
  47. Peony Garden Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ3 GIRLS AVAILABLE TODAY ๐ŸŒธ SELINA: A SLENDER YOUNG ASIAN GIRL WITH LONG BLACK HAIR, CAN PROVIDE AN RMT LIKE MASSAGE ๐ŸŒธ NANCY: PETITE CURVY YOUNG VIETNAMESE GIRL THAT IS FUN AND VERY FRIENDY, OPEN MINDED ๐ŸŒธ ELLA: A PETITE YOUNG CHINESE GIRL THAT IS A POPULAR FAVOURITE ๐ŸŒธ PEONY GARDEN SPA ๐ŸŒธ 3477 KENNEDY ROAD UNIT 4 ๐ŸŒธ (416) 335-6093 ๐ŸŒธ
  48. bumika.vashi:
    (((เค†เคชเค•เฅ‹ เคฌเคฟเคจเคพ เคจเคพเคŸเค• เคฏเคพ เคจเค–เคฐเฅ‡ เค•เคฐเคจเฅ‡ เคตเคพเคฒเคพ เคธเคฐเฅเคตเคฟเคธ เคšเคพเคนเฅ‡ เคคเฅ‹เคน เคฏเคพเคฆ เค•เคฐเคจเคพ. ))) _________________If you want Service without Drama or Tantrums, Remember it._________________ Will Try To Give You The Best Possible Sweating Experience With Full Company. TAKE MY WORD.?? Don't Waste Your Time And Money In Some Other Place Where You are Really Upset Loosing Out Both Money And Fun. Ok Try With Our Girls Once Then Your Visit Will Be Regular To Me.... _________________N O T E_________________ If u like my servic
  49. Bellagio Wellness &Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’— โ„๐”ธโ„™โ„™๐• ๐”ธโ„™โ„๐•€๐•ƒ ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ APRIL 25th , THURSDAY ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 707-6866 ๐Ÿ•™๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸOpen 10:30-10:00๐Ÿ—บ#33-160 East Beaver Creek ๐Ÿ—บ 7 Rms ๐Ÿ›๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸTable Shower(TS)+Massage 2hr $120*,TS & massage 1hr $90, ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ$40/50/60 for 30/45/60min ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸAttendants: We have 6๏ธโƒฃ today ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ ๐ŸŒนERICA ๐ŸŒน ๐Ÿ†•NAT ๐ŸŒนSOPHIE ๐ŸŒน SUNNY ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ†• TINA ๐ŸŒน LUCY ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ NEWSFLASH ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ ERICA & ๐Ÿ†• TINA & SUNNY & ๐Ÿ†• NAT & SOPHIE โ€˜ s BACK ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€ TODAY ๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€๐Ÿ€
  50. hiyamickey:
    6 girls working at ,3555 14th Ave unit #7 Markham โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-470-8082
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