Tips have gotten out of control

[Mav]

I will say that there are a lot of things that will keep me up at night. This isn’t one of them.

75k cash is easily well above the average income even in the GTA. But that is neither here nor there and didn’t even play a part in my decision. That number just came out when I tried to hack out what an average MPA would make with the current structure.

I’d change your metaphor if I could ... not
To Buying beer but to going to a club and paying a cover charge. Now let’s assume I go to the bar and ask for tequila, I get it and bartender asks for money. Shot is 6$ I pay 8$ because I like how she squirted it into the bottle. She says you need to pay 10$. In your mind ... If I paid the cover and I then decided to only pay the 6$ I would be morally cleansed?

For the last statement I wouldn’t call it stealing. If I asked for it, hammered out a tip conditional on it being preformed and then walked out? Yes that would be the definition of stealing but fundamentally I think we disagree there.

Door fee doesn’t have anything to do with this. Obviously you don’t understand how the whole thing works. The tip isn’t really a tip. It’s for a service. You should know what the basic pricing is for a service. Ya maybe she asked for more but if she still did provide a service she should be compensated. When you receive a service and don’t pay, that is theft. Your bar analogy doesn’t really transfer.

Beating a dead horse here it seems. Like I said, I don’t agree with the upcharge but I don’t agree with not paying anything as a response to that up charge.

 

[Sir Spank]

Door fee doesn’t have anything to do with this. Obviously you don’t understand how the whole thing works. The tip isn’t really a tip. It’s for a service. You should know what the basic pricing is for a service. Ya maybe she asked for more but if she still did provide a service she should be compensated. When you receive a service and don’t pay, that is theft. Your bar analogy doesn’t really transfer.

Beating a dead horse here it seems. Like I said, I don’t agree with the upcharge but I don’t agree with not paying anything as a response to that up charge.

All good - I suspect we should agree to disagree here and move on.

 

[Barney_B]

Tldr; however this is what I hate about the spa space. You are stuck discussing the pricing at the worse possible time. Like an alcoholic at the bar. It can be a $5, $10 or $20 dollar drink. Whatever the bartender demands.

I prefer to discuss everything up front and not in a tilted state. Agree on services and price and then enjoy.

 

[Sir Spank]

Tldr; however this is what I hate about the spa space. You are stuck discussing the pricing at the worse possible time. Like an alcoholic at the bar. It can be a $5, $10 or $20 dollar drink. Whatever the bartender demands.

I prefer to discuss everything up front and not in a tilted state. Agree on services and price and then enjoy.

This brings up a q - is the spa scene an addiction or a hobby? Or a bit of both

 

[Dotanuki]

Tldr; however this is what I hate about the spa space. You are stuck discussing the pricing at the worse possible time. Like an alcoholic at the bar. It can be a $5, $10 or $20 dollar drink. Whatever the bartender demands.

I prefer to discuss everything up front and not in a tilted state. Agree on services and price and then enjoy.

I agree 100%

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[Barney_B]

This brings up a q - is the spa scene an addiction or a hobby? Or a bit of both

It is a bit of both. Enjoy the hobby but control the addiction. Never negotiate when she has you by the balls, pun intended.

 

[Craig_45671234523__]

That is very true tips have gotten out of control I mean, Asian spas now offer BBBJ for 20$ extra. I don't want BBBJ, and I am okay with CBJ why do I have to spend 200$ on a 30-minute service it used to be 160$ one year ago. It is ridiculous. The girls are getting very greedy, and customer service has been on an overall decline. I also noticed there are spa owners and affiliates on this site who have hidden agendas and are promoting paying more tips at the spas so they could ultimately get more cash in their pocket shame on you guys. I realized the MPAs struggled during the lockdown, but that doesn't mean inflation and the lockdown has also not affected us badly as well. These spas and MPA need to be fair in their pricing if they hope to survive!

 

[MrBnH]

I miss this he good old days when a nude HJ was a $20 tip……these days it is ridiculous what some are asking for…..keep it real.

 

[Barney_B]

That is very true tips have gotten out of control I mean, Asian spas now offer BBBJ for 20$ extra. I don't want BBBJ, and I am okay with CBJ why do I have to spend 200$ on a 30-minute service it used to be 160$ one year ago. It is ridiculous. The girls are getting very greedy, and customer service has been on an overall decline. I also noticed there are spa owners and affiliates on this site who have hidden agendas and are promoting paying more tips at the spas so they could ultimately get more cash in their pocket shame on you guys. I realized the MPAs struggled during the lockdown, but that doesn't mean inflation and the lockdown has also not affected us badly as well. These spas and MPA need to be fair in their pricing if they hope to survive!

The entire sex industry is off. A year prior to the pandemic, I was paying $200 for very good escort services. For $500 a month, I had lots of choices and options. Fast forward to 2022, one lady who I would regularly see is now charging $400, plus $100 more for anal. She did a great job marketing herself.

I understand some have to make up for lost revenue and cover the cost of increasing hotels. But, my income hasn't kept up with this inflation and can't fund everyone.

The standard operating procedure is get some glam shots, create a website, write some BS narrative for the site and wham, she is a high end escort, catering to distinct gentlemen callers.

Clearly someone is paying that freight. Just not me.

So, I continue to look for a diamond in the rough who after 6 months will follow the same SOP, double her price and claim she is an exclusive escort. And then rinse and repeat for me.

Spas are just following this trend and it is worse, playing the game of come back next time for special service.

This industry must understand that you can sheer a sheep many times; but slaughter a lamb one.

 

[Charli3]

The entire sex industry is off. A year prior to the pandemic, I was paying $200 for very good escort services. For $500 a month, I had lots of choices and options. Fast forward to 2022, one lady who I would regularly see is now charging $400, plus $100 more for anal. She did a great job marketing herself.

I understand some have to make up for lost revenue and cover the cost of increasing hotels. But, my income hasn't kept up with this inflation and can't fund everyone.

The standard operating procedure is get some glam shots, create a website, write some BS narrative for the site and wham, she is a high end escort, catering to distinct gentlemen callers.

Clearly someone is paying that freight. Just not me.

So, I continue to look for a diamond in the rough who after 6 months will follow the same SOP, double her price and claim she is an exclusive escort. And then rinse and repeat for me.

Spas are just following this trend and it is worse, playing the game of come back next time for special service.

This industry must understand that you can sheer a sheep many times; but slaughter a lamb one.

Also probably blew their own funds and the government funds and need to charge as much as possible because bad money management, have gambling problems or like to buy luxurious items

 

[KrusherK]

You are wrong here.

The woman who touched your dick got $0 for the whole transaction.

You should feel ashamed. Right or wrong on her part, a tip isn’t really a tip. It’s a payment for a service. If she touches your dick she should get something even if you aren’t happy about what happened.

I appreciate your responses now that have had time to read the whole debate. Education and understanding is key. In this current economy, $75 K isn’t a lot of money. You couldnt buy a house in the GTHA or beyond with that kind of money, even if it was legit in nature. I don’t know your background obviously, but you and I know that many of these women do not have the benefits of established, generational Canadians. Whether they are new residents in Canada, or here on visas… most of them are not in a strong financial position with credit - so try to empathize a little maybe.

Now that you know a little more how the systems works - adjust your spending style and expectations. Have a minimum limit going in just like you’d have a maximum. The only time it is acceptable to not exchange any money is if you walk out. Heck, I’ve had to leave mid session due to my own personal emergency…. And still paid and tipped because I wasted her time.

Bottom line is…. $0 isn’t ok. You wouldn’t leave a store with a case of beer and not pay for it would you ? If you would then that’s a moral thing we don’t share. But I’d hope you would at least know that stealing is stealing… and then you get a service - no matter how bad, you need to pay for it. At least in some manner.

$0 is not ok.

For real you shouldve at least had a 20 for her. Lol we all agree she overstepped by asking for more. But if we want to correct something like this from happening again yea smaller tip would have also worked instead of nothing. I mean i usually dont go hobbying in sauga so lol so this does give it a bad impression

 

[Barney_B]

Also probably blew their own funds and the government funds and need to charge as much as possible because bad money management, have gambling problems or like to buy luxurious items

Although I don't disagree with your point, I know of some ladies being shrewd with their finances, purchasing assets such as condos or stocks, leaving the luxury items as potential gifts from clients. They up their rates or tip expectations and we keep playing. And should we stop visiting a lady, the monetary increase absorbs the drop in clientele, saving the wear and tear on their hands, mouth and pussy.

This is an industry similar to sports where young are needed to replenish the pool, fresh meat. And as one establishes herself, ups one's rates until they are the old vet just looking for an minimum contract.

Getting back to the shrewd ladies, eventually they accumulate enough wealth to retire from the industry or semi-retire seeing a few clients for spending money.

And back to the main topic, I agree tips are becoming ridiculous. One can move from the spa scene's top establishments, looking for bargains in B and C class spas. The lady may be older or appear not as classy; but there is value. And the most important point, agree to services and price up front. There is no need to play a game of The Price is Right.

 

[Leo44]

This isn't a fucking restauran

It is a bit of both. Enjoy the hobby but control the addiction. Never negotiate when she has you by the balls, pun intended.

Basically, if you go to spas twice or three times or more a week, then you might be an addict. If you go once every other week or once a month then it is a hobby.

It takes "3 weeks" to create an addition assuming you do it every single day.

The boundary between hobby and addiction is very thin.

 

[Leo44]

Although I don't disagree with your point, I know of some ladies being shrewd with their finances, purchasing assets such as condos or stocks, leaving the luxury items as potential gifts from clients. They up their rates or tip expectations and we keep playing. And should we stop visiting a lady, the monetary increase absorbs the drop in clientele, saving the wear and tear on their hands, mouth and pussy.

This is an industry similar to sports where young are needed to replenish the pool, fresh meat. And as one establishes herself, ups one's rates until they are the old vet just looking for an minimum contract.

Getting back to the shrewd ladies, eventually they accumulate enough wealth to retire from the industry or semi-retire seeing a few clients for spending money.

And back to the main topic, I agree tips are becoming ridiculous. One can move from the spa scene's top establishments, looking for bargains in B and C class spas. The lady may be older or appear not as classy; but there is value. And the most important point, agree to services and price up front. There is no need to play a game of The Price is Right.

MPs make lots of $, much more than we even make in one year. Agreed with you. I have seen many wasting their $ on expensive cars or even casinos.

 

[Leo44]

That is very true tips have gotten out of control I mean, Asian spas now offer BBBJ for 20$ extra. I don't want BBBJ, and I am okay with CBJ why do I have to spend 200$ on a 30-minute service it used to be 160$ one year ago. It is ridiculous. The girls are getting very greedy, and customer service has been on an overall decline. I also noticed there are spa owners and affiliates on this site who have hidden agendas and are promoting paying more tips at the spas so they could ultimately get more cash in their pocket shame on you guys. I realized the MPAs struggled during the lockdown, but that doesn't mean inflation and the lockdown has also not affected us badly as well. These spas and MPA need to be fair in their pricing if they hope to survive!

This is the new normal. Tips are going up and probably room fees too.

 

[xtc27]

I miss this he good old days when a nude HJ was a $20 tip……these days it is ridiculous what some are asking for…..keep it real.

Nude HJ = $20

… long long time ago, when $20 = serious $$$ …

 

[throwaway33]

The entire sex industry is off. A year prior to the pandemic, I was paying $200 for very good escort services. For $500 a month, I had lots of choices and options. Fast forward to 2022, one lady who I would regularly see is now charging $400, plus $100 more for anal. She did a great job marketing herself.

I understand some have to make up for lost revenue and cover the cost of increasing hotels. But, my income hasn't kept up with this inflation and can't fund everyone.

Should take some advice from some of the ladies you know who spent their income on assets then you can keep up with increasing fees. Spa girls love real estate and those buying in 2019 have seen their net worth's increase substantially and wont settle for 200$ anymore. My old dick cant even keep up with the additional cashflow commanded by my rentals this year.

Many girls, especially the younger ones moved over to online services or sugar baby services only reducing the supply of those working the spas.

 

[KrusherK]

Just for context.

Precovid i was a reg at Yi- Ren midland loction. They had asian amy and a few other nice girls. . .

One.day they had a promo. Only 30$ room fee. Normally i get a massage and topless finish. I think it was a korean girl.working' forget her name but she was cute and a good massage. I offered her 40 for.topless Finish and she was so happy i could tell i could have offered 30 but w/e. But yea this was the normal response when the mpa.got a little bit more than usual. And HJ was great.

 

[xtc27]

Should take some advice from some of the ladies you know who spent their income on assets then you can keep up with increasing fees. Spa girls love real estate and those buying in 2019 have seen their net worth's increase substantially and wont settle for 200$ anymore. My old dick cant even keep up with the additional cashflow commanded by my rentals this year.

Many girls, especially the younger ones moved over to online services or sugar baby services only reducing the supply of those working the spas.

If u believe the negative stories, ofc u think supply = diminished…

But check out all new pretty gals in AMPs these days! … seems2me there’s endless supply!

OnlyFans = cam girls … hardly new, just different. Same w SD.

 

[Magicmon]

Can’t wait to see what people are going to say next year when the rescission really hits.

Will SPs be more tip hungry then? Or wil they take whatever is given.