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Hello,
I am hoping to hear from some people have been practicing massage for a while. I am a student with 530+ hours training so far towards 1200. I live in Oklahoma where there are no state laws regarding massage. A friend of mine does hair at a local salon that lost their therapist. I JUMPED at the opportunity to begin massage as a career before I end school. I've taken NMT anterior and posterior, Functional Assessment, Medical Massage, All kinds of anatomy, Musculoskeletal, and I am currently taking Traditional Chinese which incorporates a lot of other asian and energy modalities. I work on a few family friends and associates regularly(monthly, bi-monthly). I feel completely qualified to work on the public. I actually dropped out of college as a business major and I have two and a half years experience in marketing. I LOVE marketing.
My point in posting this is that the State has no laws but some cities have their own requirements. I had to apply for a permit to practice massage in the city of Moore. I had to get fingerprinted and take front facing photos just to apply for the permit. The salon owner said it would probably take 3 or 4 days to hear back from the chief of police or someone to do a background check. Anyway when I turned in the application on a Monday the woman at city hall told me I would hear from them probably by the end of the week but she didn't know if I would be approved since I had not graduated. That struck fear into my heart! It is now Saturday night and the week is over. I called on Thursday to check on it and the womans secretary told me it usually takes two weeks from the app date to hear back from background checks. So now I'm a little nervous.
It's not the end of the world but then last night an friend of a friend totally attacked my education saying my school sucked!!! It is a federally funded College. I will recieve an associates degree when I graduate. There is another school locally that is run by loonies but very involved. It teaches a lot more in depth than the school I go to and takes 3 times as long to complete and the only thing you recieve at the end is a wooden plack. Oddly enough my instructor and several others at the school I attend graduated from there. When I graduate I will be an LMT. This post is very long I'm sorry. I just want to get your feedback about whether my worry is justified or not and if I am just letting these people make me feel insecure about my education. Thank You for reading and letting me know your opinions. Diana}]i[{
 


Hi DianaMarie, and welcome to MassagePlanetL!

It sounds like a rough initiation you're going through. Sorry to hear it.
I don't know much about OK law, but I do know that many states/ towns etc have some pretty backward laws on the books. Sounds like your area still subscribes to the "guilty until proven innocent" way of thinking. It is no reflection on you, it's just the way it is.

Similarly, approvals from government offices are notoriously slow. It's too bad they told you one thing and are doing another, but that isn't uncommon either. Seems to me you should keep calling them until you get your answer.

As for getting approval to work, it may be that there is some "unspoken" process where you can't get permitted until you've completed a program. Have you checked the town of Moore to see if they have their own set of rules? Here in MA, the cities and towns decide what is required for licensure. Some are very stringent, and some are much more lenient. Some towns have no rules at all...except that they don't give out licenses.

In response to the comments about your school, I guess I would have to ask if you feel that you are getting a good, well-rounded education. If you feel you are, then fu'geddaboud'it. There have been a couple of strings on this board that talk about programs that are less than ideal (and I'm not implying that yours is one of those) that turned out some first rate mt's. Plenty of body workers have been in the workplace for years with no "formal training" other than what was passed down to them. It is more about the person than the institution in the long run. Sounds like you're getting exposure to a lot of different elements; experience will teach what you need to know.

On the other hand, a wooden plaque vs an associate degree...not sure I would choose a school based on what kind of diploma I ended up with. The reputation of the school and my own experience while there are what are going to be the lasting elements for me.

Good luck in your pursuits, and keep us posted!
 


My state is unregulated also...or was at the time of my obtaining a business license. So I was at the mercy of my City Hall....my town requires 70 hours of education (I have 525), a background check...fingerprints....etc. It took nearly three months to get it all processed.

I agree with merlescuz on the other points. If you feel you are getting a good education then really, don't worry about other people. School gives a good foundation, but....the making of a good MT doesn't necessarily happen at school.
 


Welcome Diane! We hope you enjoy our forum here.

Some of my first thoughts regarding employment are these:

Since you are still in school, how will employment fit into your current schedule? I'm talking about personal life, school, any other employment you currently have, family and other responsiblities? What are the conditions you will be working under? What kind of rental, commisions, supplies, ect. will you be responsible for? Do they have a built in clientelle for you to work on already? How busy are they with what they have already? Will you have to make your own appointments, or do they have employees who will set appointments for you? What kind of hours do they want you there for, or can you set your own hours? Will you have to be there waiting for things to happen, or can you come in when you have appointments?

I realize that some of these issues you didn't touch on in your post, but the thing I see outstanding is you are still in school and not quite half way. I'm not saying you are not qualified to do the job, and I am not trying to discourage you from taking the position, but these are a few things you may need to think about when taking the position. When I was still in school, I had a similar opprotunity as you did. I was offered the postition, but after thinking about it I realized that my time was very constricted with school and every thing else I had to do.

The thing I noted too that is most definitly in your favor is your schooling in marketing. That is an absolute advaneforum.xxxe for you! Marketing can be challenging for us, and you have skills in that area already, which can definitly help you to suceed in this business!

I hope I may have helped you on a slightly different curve, Diane. Good luck with your endevors and let us know how it goes! :D
 
YAY!!!

I finally got the call today at the last minute that my permit is approved and ready to pick up! I'm so relieved and excited to get started.
Dodab I appreciate your concern about my schedule. I have been so excited because this job will suit my schedule wonderfully. I will be working 9 to 12, 12:30 Monday through Friday and I'm willing to work 6 hours on Saturday. The salon owner accepts these hours just fine so I can be flexible. I will start on 60/40 commission in my favor. This will last until I have a reasonable clientelle. Not longer than 6 months. I graduate June 2nd. School is from 1-5pm Mon-Fri.
I wait tables part time at a full service restaurant and scaled back my schedule to working 2 shifts per week which should be enough to put gas in my car and food in my stomach. I chose shifts that would allow me to get off in time to get enough sleep. Socially this will be wonderfull since I will be working with a close friend and I used to work every night of the week and sleep till noon, missing out on time in the evening with friends. Only drawbacks to my job at the salon I see is
#1 The room in the salon is tiny. It is only 6x12
#2 I must supply all my linens, oil, etc.
Number 2 doesn't bother me too much. I can wash my sheets at the salon which is a plus. The space is something to get used to.
The salon owner assured me a few of her hair clients would weekly book a massage.
The Therapist she had there previously left without any notice due to personal problems and evidently reffered her clients to other people as she was not continuing massage. Most of those people were not just massage clients. Most of them were hair and nail clients also so they will be likely to come back to the salon.
I know I am optimistic but hopefully rational. This is really important to me. I know I won't fill my appointment book right away and when I do I won't always get those people to come back but I'm hoping with my desire to help people and my strong marketing skills I will do well quickly.
 


Congratulations to you, Diana!
I'm envious! Our school has a strict policy of no work for pay while in school. I had the itch to get a massage job after the first 6 months, but was warned that I could be expelled if word got out. It wasn't worth the risk.
Hands on work is where you get real experience, and what better time to do it than when you are in school, surrounded by people who can answer your questions and help you deal with things as they come up.
That's my opinion, anyway.
Oh, and fyi, our booths at school are probably about 6 x 12. It is a small space, but manageable.
 


Hey great for you then Diane! I hope all works out for you! Let us know how it goes! :D
 
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    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Zoe - ๐Ÿ”ฅStunning Tall Taiwanese Service Queen with Endless Passion and Sensuality w
  31. AliceSpa:
    SUNDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด: 3 Hot Girls today at Alice Spa: *New Today . ELLA: is a small white young girl from Romania, super super busty EE Cups, blue eyes, blond hair, ok services, bbby cfs. Please call before booking her due to high demand. KIKI: A young, short & petite Taiwanese cutie, firm body, 5โ€™2โ€, natural C Cups. Kiki has strong massage skills & excellent services, amazing bbbj
  32. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Shasa,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Lala,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Helen , Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry,๐Ÿ  address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  33. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Anika , Student pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Michelle,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella, Taiwan girl DD Boobs Thai deep massage lily,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  34. SugarLoveSpa:
    : Sunday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA & CHERRY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CHERRY is a young, slim, friendly and absolutely gorgeous Vietnamese beauty, 49 Kgs
  35. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, New First Day Sexy Chinese Coco, Sexy Chinese Linda, Young Sexy Chinese Abie
  36. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจClick On Username and FOLLOW USโœ… Today ๐ŸŒธRebecca๐ŸŒธNina โ˜Ž289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ
  37. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick On Username and FOLLOW USโœ… Today ๐ŸŒธSophia๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธKarla๐ŸŒธCamila โ˜Ž905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ
  38. SunriseRH:
    SUNDAY at ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—ฆ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: JULIA . 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿฒ โ˜Ž๏ธ JULIA is a slim but curvy Spanish attendant with natural B Cups & a pretty face. She can take a load off your mind. SUNRISE SPA welcomes you to experience total relaxation in our comfortable, clean, cozy environment. Our lovely selection of beauties can totally satisfy your expectations
  39. NewOriental:
    SUNDAY at ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’š๐—ก๐—˜๐—ช ๐—ข๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ก๐—ง๐—”๐—Ÿ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’š๐ŸHAPPY & PHOENIX. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿด๐Ÿญ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. PHOENIX is a gentle sweet Filipina lady, 5โ€™4โ€ and 105Lbs, with 34C-24-34 assets and very open minded. NEW ORIENTAL SPA
  40. See You Health Center:
    Lin๐Ÿ’•โ€จVery Young, Petiteโ€จVietnamese Studentโ€จWith Spicy Slim Bodyโ€จ5โ€™ 1โ€, 100 lbs Blonde Hairโ€จGreat BBJ, CIM โ€จ ๐Ÿฅ‘ Sami๐Ÿ’• Gorgeous Model Type CBC Vietnamese School Girl She is 5โ€™ 2โ€ tall, 98 Lbs With D Cup Melons Great Fashion Style and Provides Excellent Customer She is very excited to serve customers โ˜Ž 416-988-2950
  41. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Natalie ๐Ÿ’• She is from Philippines CBC Petite school girl Sasa ๐Ÿ’• Very Sexy Vietnamese friendly and milfy . body is amazing and smooth. an incredible ass. ๐Ÿฅ‘ Nancy๐Ÿ’• Vietnamese BBBJ/CIM Queen Natural D+ Cups โ˜Ž๏ธ647-446-0886
  42. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, New First Day Sexy Chinese Coco, Sexy Chinese Linda, Young Sexy Chinese Abie
  43. lotushubspa:
    Hello, dear customers, today Lotus Spa is located at 10737 Yonge St unit13 and provides female masseuses for customers. Anna, Lily, and Cici provide customers with first-class service and a large number of beauties. Please contact us by phone โ˜Ž๏ธ9052375885 or SMS 4163565876๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿคช
  44. ASPA:
    ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—”๐—ง ๐—” ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: EMMA and Best Massage RACHEL.[/color] ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ EMMA is 1.64Cm. and weighs 52Kg. Emma is sweet and elegant, has very good communication & massage, and her services will make your visit enjoyable. RACHEL is a slim and attractive
  45. ForeverWarden:
    Sunday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Jennifer & Mia. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Jennifer is a tall, slim & pretty Asian babe with natural melons and eraser nipples. She is very open minded.
  46. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Mia๐Ÿ˜ beautiful young Singapore girl. Mia has a very sexy body, and beautiful busty boobs and golden blonde hair. She can give a very good teasing and relaxing massage with a sensual great playful HAPPY service. So very sexy beau
  47. HolidaySpa:
    Sunday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธAmy & Suki. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills SUKI is a sexy lady, short with big boobs, medium massage & nice services. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด
  48. SugarLoveSpa:
    Sunday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA & CHERRY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CHERRY is a young, slim, friendly and absolutely gorgeous Vietnamese beauty, 49 Kgs
  49. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, we have 4 beautiful young girls are working today, young fun Ivy 30โ€™s with big buttocks open mind and Young cute Jessy slime 30โ€™s open mind, pretty Summer and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in aways welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  50. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spa โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธtable shower ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘Body scrub ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน5124 Dundas W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366New girl Luna joined. She can provide very good massage and sexy touch. She knows how to take instruction and please a man๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘Jessica๐Ÿ˜˜ can provide deep Thai massage. Earlobe kiss๐Ÿ’‹She looks like an ordinary girl but has a round and beautiful ass. The hot body slide is her unique asset to attract men๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œCome see her today. Feel free to walk in or make an appointment at any time. There is plenty
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