York "Witchhunt"

[quakiss]

Lorraine Gilbert and Michelle Daigle are the latest victims of the York LE MP witchhunt. History will not be kind to York LE just like history has not been kind to the LE that raided the gay bathhouses, the Pussy Palace and the Salem witch hunts.

 

[jaycenDELO]

It's bad enough they got charged. I'm surprised you didn't publish the home add & tel info?

Edit your message Rockslinger.

 

[beebler]

I think that is inaccurate guidance given that they have busted licensed and unlincensed facilities in York this year, and do not appear to be peculair to neither at this point..

 

[Nancy M]

Attending licensed spas (that are observing the conditions of their license) may lessen the chances of being interrupted by bylaw enforcement officers. If the police have reasonable grounds to believe criminal activity—like the keeping of a bawdyhouse—is occurring there, the license won't deter them. So the mindset of the police is the most important element in your freedom from worry, and in York it seems that mindset's dead against MPs.

 

[Smith]

I think any MP in York Region is a starting point - licensed or not! York LE have shown that a license means nothing to them, and in fact legally, a license means nothing if the place is deemed a bawdy house.

For a while, there were so many people on this board, and so much confusion about, a license making a place "legal". I agree with the other posters - licensed or not is a massive gamble in York Region.

 

[catface]

Even in 21st century Canada (is York Region in Canada?), consensual adult wambo minki is still a crime. It wasn't that long ago when homo sex was also a crime but the homos fought back.

LE use to beat up homos until they fought back. LE use to beat up black people until they fought back. York LE is now down to just heteros.

 

[ALEX!!!!!!!]

Hey, you have gone too far publishing the ladies' ages. Show some discretion. Don't be like York LE. Yes, their names were published in the newspapers.

 

[Giddyup Giddyup]

Oh the plight of us beleaguered plain old white bread folk... Surely there must be some other minority in York Region LE can beat up.

 

[RosieB-x]

IT on EBC a few years ago and Aly's on Denison about a year ago. They were raided, and the book was thrown at them. There were rumours surrounding another place that recently moved - but I'll shut up now about that one.

Link about Aly's is here

http://www.massageplanet.net.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=163759&highlight=aly%27s

Let's just say I'll disagree with you about the license thing. LE can investigate whatever they want, based just on suspicion - so in your speeding example, the cop could pull you over on suspicion of being drunk because you veered your car for 1 second, or stating that he thought he saw you veer your car for one second.

So, dark windows, neon open signs, ads in Now, Eye and local newspapers that say "full release" or "release your tensions away", "body rub" - in fact an ad placed anywhere in the Erotic Massage section, a by-law investigation, websites, Google searches, ads of scantily clad women that are placed on cars outside strip clubs, a neighbouring business owner complaining about people parking in their parking spots, weird operating hours, reviews here on massageplanet.net, the name of the place (anything with Spa in it), calling the place and asking what services go on, asking over the phone to speak to a licensed massage therapist, acupuncturist, holistic practitioner and finding none there... shall I go on?

In fact, since LE have a proven track record of shutting these places down in York, and since MP's do have certain characteristics to them - LE could argue any of those characteristics is valid grounds for an investigation

 

[Minerva]

The Ladies names and ages were published in the Sun the other day.

 

[Woooolfff]

Licenced or not, YRP chief made it his mission:

Tougher bylaws to fight prostitution in York Region massage parlours have cut organized-crime profits by tens of millions of dollars over the past few years, according to York Region Police Chief Armand La Barge. The practice of prostitution at body-rub parlours peaked in 2003, when it pulled in an estimated $75 million for criminal groups, La Barge said. “We think it's dropped down into the tens of millions (annually) now.” Under the new bylaws, massage parlours and “health clinics” have restricted hours, and doors to massage rooms must have windows. Attendants must be licensed and of legal age. The bylaws give a justice of the peace power to issue a closure order, which saves police the risk and expense of an undercover operation, La Barge said. Massage-parlour prostitution is a money-maker for many GTA organized-crime groups, said Anthony Saldutto, president of Detek Investigative Group in Concord.

“It's become a mishmash, melting pot of every type of organized crime,” he said. “They're all working together right now.”

La Barge bristled at the perception that prostitution is a victimless crime, saying police have found 15- and 16-year-old runaways working in body-rub parlours, as well as HIV-infected adults. “The health hazards associated with these places are incredible.” Some of the women were duped into coming to Canada, told they'd be given jobs in the health field, while others were forced to work there to pay off debts for their passage here, he said. Still others were drawn to the parlours by the promise of high tax-free earnings. Some parlours and bogus health clinics had ATMs in their front lobbies, and workers clad in high heels and negligees. Now, prostitution is moving into private homes, drawing clients through blogs and word of mouth, and into manicure shops. “They're trying to pop up under the guise of nail clinics,” La Barge said.

Source: The Toronto Star, July 14, “Massage parlour laws cut crime. Prostitution down, says chief”

 

[trichomes]

Somehow the 3 D's: DeLotto, Dynasty, DeLuxe seem to pass with flying colours and don't seem to get too much attention from York Region's Finest

Think I'll go lift some weights and get a pedicure at one of those place tonight 3am.....RIGGHHHHHT.

 

[Natalie]

I have no idea how many have been taken-down and what the break-out was. What I can say is that there were a lot more unlicensed places in York than licensed ones, so of course there would be more non-licensed ones getting taken down.

And someone did stand-up in court and win. There was a ruling in Newmarket in September where a judge ruled that the evidence gathered in a raid on a York MP was not admissible (or something like that), and threw out the charges. So, as the wind of the law currently stands now, the law is NOT on the side of the Police (of course court appeals may happen) - yet they still raided a place this week.

The reason they can do that is because they are enforcing the Criminal Code, and they can arrest people now and see if the charges stick later. So even though the courts have kind of ruled against how Police conduct investigations, it is not stopping them, and I don't think it should.

York is making it very clear - don't hobby at licensed or unlicensed establishments. They don't care what the courts have said - they're still within their rights to arrest people and publish names until the actual Criminal Code of Canada tells them otherwise.

 

[L D]

Just to clarify a bit, yes, someone did stand up in court and win. But, it was a very narrow decision. In that case it was a one-fee operation and the judge stated that the cost was the same whether for your $50 (or whatever the amount was) you got an RMT massage, an HJ, or all the way up to FS. It was not obvious that every client would get something more than RMT and the police did not catch anybody in the act and so because of this the prosecution was not able to make the charges stick (no pun intended). I wouldn't rely on this ruling to get you out of trouble - especially when many MPs charge the door fee separate from the attendant's fees so the situation is immediately different from the Newmarket case. As well, I never saw anything to indicate if the decision was ever appealed to a higher court or not, so I'm not sure if this decision still stands (if anyone can advise on this point I'd appreciate it).

The Colonel

 

[Pompal 09.]

Jeez - Colonel, I wish people would read posts. Sorry to sound frustrated, but I've been involved in other threads where people simply don't read what I wrote. I believe I said that the court ruling means nothing - that is why police are still raiding places, even as of this week. Re-read my post.

I was replying to this guy, who implies below that that someone should stand up in court to change "the law". I was telling him that someone did, and that nothing's changed. And most educated people should know that courts don't write or change laws - that is the job of legislatures.



While I'm not a lawyer, and certainly not LE, I'm certainly smart enough not to rely on any court decision to govern my actions for two reasons. First, not being a lawyer, I don't understand the precedent and court system - so it would be a foolish thing to do Secondly, only a change in the Criminal Code itself would change how the police behave - court decisions such as this do not forcibly dictate or compel their behaviour.

 

[Mrs.RighT]

3Tees, I did read your post, and I have re-read the post. ManAboutTown said that the York Region police chief would continue to act the way he did because the police chief appeared to have the law on his side, so someone should stand up and challenge that law. Your reply was to mention the Newmarket decision and concluded "So, as the wind of the law currently stands now, the law is NOT on the side of the Police..." My comment was simply to clarify that the Newmarket decision is far from definitively deciding the matter one way or the other.

Otherwise, I take no issue with the points you raised. I appreciate your frustration regarding other threads and people commenting on posts without reading them carefully, as I've experienced that too. I was only trying to clarify and not to add to your frustration.

The Colonel.

 

[blue-eyed brunette]

Colonel, you are a gentleman, scholar and worthy officer!

 

[TheDarkFox]

YRP Chief is just diverting attention - failed to solve 3yr old MP murder. So PR scheme to keep his job.