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[Pay2Play]

Vatican City is staying outside of this argument…

 

[gottahobby]

I agree w u except the 'Jewish theocracy' part, especially since u mentioned being agnostic.
IMO, mixing government w religion, any religion that is, it's a terrible idea and leads to big trouble down the road.

I agree. A theocracy is unacceptable anywhere but in the Middle East. All the Muslim countries are theocracies.

Unfortunately, if Israel became a pure democracy, within a few elections there would be an Arab majority government, and I think we all know what would happen to Jewish Israeli citizens' rights if that were to happen.

Look on Wikipedia for the population of Jews and Christians in Muslim countries, how they have diminished since 1948, and how both Jews and Christians are treated in Muslim countries today...

 

[funliness]

Only tolerant to a certain extent. If assholes keep doing more border closures and disrupt people's lives by idiotic protesting, there won't be any more tolerance. The pandemic protesters did more damage to the economy than the pandemic itself. Idiots were using their own children on the border crossings in order to prevent themselves from getting arrested. Public protests should never be allowed on federal border crossings. Do it in front of your local city hall.

The biggest threat to society is anarchy.

The 2020 Floyd race riots in the U.S., included violence. Looting. Disregard to human life, property and the law - these were given a defacto pass by the left. Then no wonder you have capital hill and Ottawa convoy - tolerance of this shit breeds more of it !! We need to stop with the partisan crap and call out wrong when It is wrong !!

 

[MysterE Man]

It's not ridiculous. The ridiculous part is you thinking it's ridiculous. When Biden needs to call Turdo to ask him what's going on at the border, you know it's serious. I felt like bringing a chain and dragging those people out of there from my vehicle's tow hooks myself. What good does protesting do at the end of the pandemic anyway? I hope those people rot in prison. You don't block the border where the most economic trade between 2 countries in the world happens right here. Turdo should have called in the army from day one instead of sitting on his hands. Canada made headline news around the world for the wrong reasons. It wasn't annoying, Dumbass. It was catastrophic.

You're using rhetorical arguments to try to make a quantitative argument. That doesn't make snese.

The scale of GDP loss caused by two plus years of lockdown was absolutely massive. The border issue had some short-term impact in terms of lost GDP, but by comparison, it was minuscule.

You can blah blah about "Turdo" all you want (I also don't like the guy, for what it's worth). It isn't going to change the fact you're trying to convince people that a mouse is bigger than an elephant.

 

[Filbrecht]

I agree. A theocracy is unacceptable anywhere but in the Middle East. All the Muslim countries are theocracies.

Unfortunately, if Israel became a pure democracy, within a few elections there would be an Arab majority government, and I think we all know what would happen to Jewish Israeli citizens' rights if that were to happen.

Look on Wikipedia for the population of Jews and Christians in Muslim countries, how they have diminished since 1948, and how both Jews and Christians are treated in Muslim countries today...

Your point is definitely valid but a it won't help since such a theocracy would be an apartheid society that would be non-viable on a long run. As Arafat said many years ago, the Palestinian cause will prevail due to the Palestinian woman uterus.
Not an easy solution, esp. on the short term...I still think the moderate factions on both sides should engage in finding acceptable solutions on long term. Can these factions win majority support? Hard to say.

 

[Kawailuvr]

Me, but agnostic in practice.

I would support a 2 state solution with all Muslim countries agreeing to Israel's right to exist as a Jewish theocracy, and the Palestinians being given back a reasonable amount of land with natural resources and livable borders.

But with Hamas and Bibi in power on each side that won't happen, not to mention all the other Arab countries that want to annihilate us...

And why does so many people hate the Jews ? Cause the kikes ain’t nice people man
Dirty greedy animals

 

[afroman102]

There are traumatized people, psychopaths and opportunists on both sides. It is intellectually lazy to say one side are the good guys and the other side are the bad guys. If your family suffers atrocities the ones who did it are the bad guys. Tom Clancy had the idea of having a neutral third party referee a brokered two state solution. His idea was to use the Swiss Guards. While using the Swiss as referees may sound ridiculous, the sentiment makes more sense to me than any other ideas being offered.

One side have a country the other side doesn't. there is no comparison sorry on this one.

 

[afroman102]

Israel agreed many times to a 2 state solution . The othe side always turned it down. Read your history

spinning the story day and night because they control all the media doesn't hide the reality.

 

[snoopdoggie]

Not in the last 10+ years, though, when everything that was done before was reversed. Read ur history and u'll find out that a great man of peace, Yitzhak Rabin, was assassinated by a Jewish extremist.
This does not justify in any way the mass killings in cold blood that happened a week ago.

Right

 

[UsefulIdiot]

One side have a country the other side doesn't. there is no comparison sorry on this one.

Do you think peaceful coexistence is possible and can the current leadership on all sides get there? We can make judgments and feel like we occupy the moral high ground, but that accomplishes nothing. I do not know how to make things better, but it is really easy to make things worse. Violence begets violence.

 

[Deleted member 101953]

Vatican City is staying outside of this argument…

So is the Dalai Lama

 

[snoopdoggie]

You're using rhetorical arguments to try to make a quantitative argument. That doesn't make snese.

The scale of GDP loss caused by two plus years of lockdown was absolutely massive. The border issue had some short-term impact in terms of lost GDP, but by comparison, it was minuscule.

You can blah blah about "Turdo" all you want (I also don't like the guy, for what it's worth). It isn't going to change the fact you're trying to convince people that a mouse is bigger than an elephant.

You're not thinking that what the protesters were stating is that Canada doesn't want to do business with the rest of the world by the embarrassing act of blocking the most significant border crossing in the world. If you don't want to trade with the rest of the world, then we might as well be Nicaragua. If I was Prime Minister, the Armed Forces would have dragged these people out after the first hour of the border blockade, and send them to prison, no questions asked.

 

[afroman102]

Do you think peaceful coexistence is possible and can the current leadership on all sides get there? We can make judgments and feel like we occupy the moral high ground, but that accomplishes nothing. I do not know how to make things better, but it is really easy to make things worse. Violence begets violence.

Yes it’s possible, but it depends what Israel wants, since they have the upper hand, both militarily and the support they have from the western countries particularly the US.

If the US wants this to end, they can but most politicians in the US will not dare to challenge Israel due to the heavy influence of the Jews Americans and their long lobbying arms.

The ultra right governing Israel for the past 20 plus years reversed all progress made in Oslo accord and they will just want the Palestinian leave their homes (exiled) in the millions of them so they can have the Jews state to themselves (that’s the only reasonable conclusion that I have come to believe). And the escalation of the bombing is to force 1 million plus Palestinians into exile to Egypt and Jordan and other Arab states, similar to those 3 million that were exiled during the 60s.

Note: this does not justify the Hamas killing of innocent people.

 

[testingcat]

Guys, I won't be "many liner" on this thread.

I just want to post some Oxford discussions from 8 years ago. From that time, Hamas got stronger, its killing got more barbaric, and Palestinians riots got more vocal and violent around the world...

Watch from 2:11

 

[kittyhound69]

The arabs are ready for peace. Iran is not

 

[afroman102]

Guys, I won't be "many liner" on this thread.

I just want to post some Oxford discussions from 8 years ago. From that time, Hamas got stronger, its killing got more barbaric, and Palestinians riots got more vocal and violent around the world...

Watch from 2:11

There is two sides to every story…if you want to be balanced, you have to consider both sides.

Joe Rogan Experience #1684 - Abby Martin

Abby Martin is a journalist, host of "The Empire Files" video series, and director of the 2019 documentary "Gaza Fights for Freedom."

ogjre.com

Hamas commander me to power in Gaza in 2007 long after, Israel refused to settle the two state solution agreed by both sides.

 

[testingcat]

There is two sides to every story…if you want to be balanced, you have to consider both sides.

Joe Rogan Experience #1684 - Abby Martin

Abby Martin is a journalist, host of "The Empire Files" video series, and director of the 2019 documentary "Gaza Fights for Freedom."

ogjre.com

Hamas commander me to power in Gaza in 2007 long after, Israel refused to settle the two state solution agreed by both sides.

I agree to discuss anything. I will check any link. What I am not ready is to hear under my window the Palestinan crowd in Toronto, chanting " kill them all". No, not those who were with the microphone with good English, other ones - who get here, and those who were talking in Arabick who knows what.

I don't see the difference between ISIS wiped out and Hamas. Both beheaded and raped and burned people live powerless. ISIS for religious reasons mostly (as far as I read), Hamas for political reasons.

 

[afroman102]

I agree to discuss anything. I will check any link. What I am not ready is to hear under my window the Palestinan crowd in Toronto, chanting " kill them all". No, not those who were with the microphone with good English, other ones - who get here, and those who were talking in Arabick who knows what.

I don't see the difference between ISIS wiped out and Hamas. Both beheaded and raped and burned people live powerless. ISIS for religious reasons mostly (as far as I read), Hamas for political reasons.

I agree it’s gruesome what Hamas has done. Question is, if they had fighting jets and firepower like Israel, do you think they would resort to that?

Or even better question, if Palestine had their own country, would they do that? That’s why I think Israel is the responsible party in the first place…and they need to be pressured to find a lasting solution.

 

[UsefulIdiot]

I agree it’s gruesome what Hamas has done. Question is, if they had fighting jets and firepower like Israel, do you think they would resort to that?

Or even better question, if Palestine had their own country, would they do that? That’s why I think Israel is the responsible party in the first place…and they need to be pressured to find a lasting solution.

The whole region needs a referee in place for a couple of peaceful and prosperous generations. Unfortunately I do not see a way for that to happen. Now would be a good time for righteous aliens, or God or mega AI to show up. Since that will not happen, history will keep repeating but with more and more sophisticated weapons, tactics and information warfare. The ultimate winners will have as their prize a pile of rubble and a despicable legacy.

 

[downer]

Pepsi proposes:
a hot model giving each side a soda.