Farang stabbing in Seadragon.

[Hooch Monster (suspended)]

Lets Not Get Too Carried Away 1 Stabbing Does Not Really Mean Much In The Scheme Of Things.
I Have Always Found Patong A Safe Place,if Any Trouble Just Mind Your Own Buisness
Most Problems (not Seen Many Really)have Mainly Been Started By Drunk Farang Not Understanding Thai Ways Imho

 

[Pompal 09.]

"A man may do as he pleases..." It is a simple fact that just about anyone can get a gun and shoot another, or a knife and stab him. What happened in Seadragon(assuming it was not suicide, which seems a fair assumption) is the proof of that statement. The killer did just as pleased him to do, which was to kill the farang. Unfortunately, God gave us this power and this freedom. Why, I don't know. Perhaps to test us.

There are a lot more pychopaths in this world than you might imagine, although I think sociopath is a more accurate term for what we are talking about. Most of them do not kill other people only because they are smart enough to understand the risks and fear the penalties. Those are called functional sociopaths. In their minds, they are justified in doing anything that they think is right, and they have no sympathy for anyone else.

But there are a whole lot more people, who are not sociopaths or pychopaths, except for one moment when they lose control of themselves. Then they become psychopathic until they come back to their sensed. Clinically, they have a psychotic episode. Usually, these episodes are referred to as a crime of passion, or temporary insanity. And, in certain cultures, such episodes were considered reasonable reactions to circumstances, and not prosecutable as homicide, such as when a man found his wife in bed with another man.

So, if you look at my words, you will notice that I did not ever say that it is acceptable to kill. Morality is certainly a good thing in that it proscribes such useless, and destructive behavior. Bhuddism, I am quite sure, proscribes acts of murder and mayhem. But, unfortunately, men often, be they farang or Thai or whatever, often put personal pride before morality. Why I say it isn't a matter of right or wrong, is that in such instances, I don't think people stop to consider whether they are right or wrong. They just feel the need to do what they do, even if it is wrong. I think we all agree that it is wrong(at least I hope so), and I think that most, if not all Thais, would agree also. In the end, it is what it is, it is simply a fact of life, right or wrong, like it or not.

 

[HFN]

Also worth considering here that in terms of farangs 'friend(s)' can mean met once, fellow falang, etc - i.e. - I've been accused of having a (badly behaving) friend merely 'cause I've spoken to the guy before.

 

[Linda J]

DEATH IS VERY SAD..........BUT ONCE AGAIN..NEVER FCUK WITH THE THAIS...........THESE GUYS DONT THINK TWICE ABOUT USING KNIFES IN FIGHTS.......IJ

 

[Prince of Persia]

Remember, it was a FATAL stabbing, and it probably means quite a bit to the victim's family.

Same, same for me, but it is a concern if someone can kill someone else in your own playground and get away with it. No, it won't stop me going to Patong or venturing down Seadragon.

 

[Pompal 09.]

"Oh, no! Must be the season of the witch!" (Donovan Leitch)

 

[Baby]

Last week I was in Patong. Enjoyed the fabulous music at the Tiger disco. Walking around a bit, you know, and suddenly a big farang man pushed me out of his way, "give me way!". Some stupid asshole from Europe probably, on a two weeks trip to "'relax".

I never saw any personal violence in 4 years in T., except for this man. Tourist falang, especially now B'ham etc. are coming over, with a big mouth, and they get killed.

You will never have a problem with the Thai, unless you are behaving very badly. And that's what happened, I think. Wild guess though.

 

[tongpa-nyi]

"A man may do as he pleases..." It is a simple fact that just about anyone can get a gun and shoot another, or a knife and stab him. What happened in Seadragon(assuming it was not suicide, which seems a fair assumption) is the proof of that statement. The killer did just as it pleased him to do, which was to kill the farang. Unfortunately, God gave us this power and this freedom. Why, I don't know. Perhaps to test us.

There are a lot more pychopaths in this world than you might imagine, although I think sociopath is a more accurate term for what we are talking about. Most of them do not kill other people only because they are smart enough to understand the risks and fear the penalties. Those are called functional sociopaths. In their minds, they are justified in doing anything that they think is right, and they have no sympathy for anyone else.

But there are a whole lot more people, who are not sociopaths or pychopaths, except for one moment when they lose control of themselves. Then they become psychopathic until they come back to their sensed. Clinically, they have a psychotic episode. Usually, these episodes are referred to as a crime of passion, or temporary insanity. And, in certain cultures, such episodes were considered reasonable reactions to circumstances, and not prosecutable as homicide, such as when a man found his wife in bed with another man.

So, if you look at my words, you will notice that I did not ever say that it is acceptable to kill. Morality is certainly a good thing in that it proscribes such useless, and destructive behavior. Bhuddism, I am quite sure, proscribes acts of murder and mayhem. But, unfortunately, men often, be they farang or Thai or whatever, often put personal pride before morality. Why I say it isn't a matter of right or wrong, is that in such instances, I don't think people stop to consider whether they are right or wrong. They just feel the need to do what they do, even if it is wrong. I think we all agree that it is wrong(at least I hope so), and I think that most, if not all Thais, would agree also. In the end, it is what it is, it is simply a fact of life, right or wrong, like it or not.

 

[Fuzzy]

Sad but true.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Hugo

 

[txyooper]

Lets Not Get Too Carried Away 1 Stabbing Does Not Really Mean Much In The Scheme Of Things


coolhand was meaning to us as in tourists some previous posts were a little over the top such as

"If this is all true and there is a witchhunt on Farangs acoming I guess the only response would be....to organise oneselves. It is always more difficult to attack 10 than one, it is less likely to get killed if you have numerical superiority. them if bad gets to worse."

sounds a bit KKK

yea real bad for family just like car accident or bike accident or any death it is not a normal happening in patong (dead farangs everywhere)

 

[Nicklover]

I think the lesson here is "don't act like an idiot and you wont get hurt" even if the guy stabbed himself.. Also DONT TOUCH DRUGS :aao:

 

[Assist_u]

I agree too much sugar coating. If you think LOS is so safe try taking a walk at night on the "world famous tourist beaches" of Pattaya or Patong beach. These beaches are very far from being safe

 

[masybab02]

Well I was in Tams late last night with both Tam and the guy who was on the scene immediately after (he said a UK copper was also there before him and was trying to stem the bleeding and perform emergency aid etc) the way it was described to me now in detail the guy didnt have a hope, he was fading within seconds...

When I told them that officially this is a suicide they were both stunned.. The guy on the scene feels it was completely impossible with 3 puncture wounds (not 2) one going in and up to the stomach (like a right handed person upward stab wound) and one in through the breastplate (need a lot of force I would guess) which was probably the killing blow and a larger gash accross his stomach.

They all seem to feel it was an argument possibly with a MB taxi..

 

[Shazia Khan]

What a strange thing to do. Go running back to Phuket because he was fearful that someone wanted to kill him and yet actually do the job himself.

Maybe it was true that someone was after him but he just wanted to go out on his own terms and at a time of his own choosing. There are some proud people in this world.

BTW, before I get flamed I'm actually making light of the official response. Murder or suicide..... neither option is happy news for his loved ones.

 

[Alex S]

Spoke with Alisdair (the editor of the gazette) so the story goes now..

The man (an Austrian) grabbed a knife from a knife seller and stabbed himself twice killing himself.. They (the police) are calling it a suicide and claim to have multiple witnesses who all have this line..

Now my information was that a Thai guy stabbed him.. That was from someone on the scene and one of my mates tried to resicitate him and perform emergency first aid on the scene (he has some basic first aid training) so they were there.. Draw your own conclusions.

I will try and get to have a beer with people that were there soon and see if they were actually eye witnesses or if it was rumour.

 

[waldey524]

Yes quite agree, they were a bit OTT.
Perhaps Eric's minder is for hire? He always struck me as a tough little cookie, who I would want on my side if things went pear shaped!
I am fortunate enough to have a large physical pressence which puts off drunk farangs spoiling for a fight.
I am sure that if the guy was attacked then it wasn't random, and he must have done something to provoke someone, in which case he was a fool. Rule no.1 don't piss off the locals.
I remember 1 guy who was going round the bars, buying a couple of beers and paying his tab with a 500 baht note, then when he got the change, he insisited he paid with 1000 baht. I thought that guy was asking for a pasting. What a prat!

 

[Asterix]

"are calling it a suicide "

SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF THAT IN THAILAND :what:

 

[mnkypprs]

Depends what you mean by safe.. I have walked / seforum.xxxgered up both of those many many times.. Apart from having to say no to a lot of LB's in the shadows never had any issues..

Passing out on the beach in a tourist town is always a good way to get rolled..

 

[brawlmania(luis)]

MB taxi ?
is it taken further or is the offical version the end of the matter ?

 

[Darkness]

Thai newspaper write about this today and said he stabbed himself.