Incident in Tiger Disco

[Brit K]

Self employed people dont get sacked by management Dodge.

Look the guy shouldnt have shoved him, clearly a mistake (or he should have had his guard up once he did !!) but Pauly echos exactly how I see it.

He works there and should be expected to handle drunks with some civility
He clearly knows no stop and dont.. Body language alone would say it.
He probably pushed the situation when its his job to diffuse it.

 

[Bella <3 Jandro.]

A lot longer yes

 

[michelle bohannon]

Guns. So...Don't you all think that the Farang would be justified to shoot the Thai after the unreasonable ass beating? Maybe not kill him but a couple of pops in the knees. :yes:

 

[Jim The Baptist]

I wondering how much they charge for a reach around?

 

[Cericoe]

As for the original post....I think the jury is "hung", as there's too little information given.

Sounds like maybe more than a "little" shove off though?

 

[Hawaiian Bruddah]

Six bars worth of beer in him....so probably didn't mean to push the Thai guy as hard as he did but he did.....and if above is how it unfolded then to get hit in the face your mate must have stood up, turned around and then pushed the Thai guy.....judging by the response I would say his actions certainly looked aggressive to the Thai guy.

Enjoy es:

 

[Jackie M]

What do you think would have happened next if you then had pushed/shoved him once he had dropped it DB... might not have been deserved, but not an unexpected response.

 

[terry t]

5 Bars before Tiger.... thats , say 3 beers at each maybe even a couple at Tiger.... sure he didn't just slip and crack his head on the urinal

 

[Brendon]

I have already agreed with all this Sef, I know you also understand it. The guy is not on the pay role, nor is being paid a reasonable wage to offer toilet massages. As everyone has said already, they say no to these guys and the guys still carry on, this is normal, cos most times the customer then lets them and gives them a tip and leaves. However a firmer no and they back off, I've never experienced anything different in all the times this has ever been done to me anywhere in Thailand.

Neither of us were there, however this guy then aggresively pushes the massage man, this is the catalyst that then went on to a physical reaction of a punch being thrown, which lost him his job.

I feel fairly certain that Paul or you being aggresively pushed would result in the same reaction most times. Even though you both know better than resorting to physical violence, but there is a line that has been crossed and coupled with certain circumstances, the reaction would be understood by us all.

This reaction I believe would be made by any male from any country, it is not a Thai vs Farang thing, however adding that blend to the mix, makes it more likely in my opinion.

Ages ago in the Beer Garden a large Aussie guy slapped a much smaller, older, meeker Aussie guy round the head during a heated discussion. The meek guy was too scared? too feeble? to mature? to respond so just sat there, so the big guy did it several more times. Afterwards, I must have been asked by half a dozen different Thai people, girls, guys etc, 'why man get slapped and not hit back?? they were absolutely incredulous. I tried to explain and they just could not understand, they all said 'no Thai person can be slapped or pushed or hit without having to hit back, no matter how big the other person is', I was more intrigued with the look of utter disbelief on their faces.

Since that time I have watched this many times, children, men and women, I even see it being almost taught in the school playground almost daily. I see shouting matches, gesticulations and heated body movements, that then just fizzle away, but anyone making a physical move gets one straight back.

Certainly a person in a public environment should know better, but thats where we will never fully know. Professional training, no way is this given. It might have been the first such incidence for this guy, or it might be he does it every night, again I don't know. I'm just generalising and say again, a physical action usually causes a physical reaction.

Surely the customer could simply have said no and gently moved his hand away, or taken his hand off non aggressively? then no problem and no further incident, end of.

 

[Pompal 09.]

in no other country would you condone violence from a worker in a business
but of course, it's Thailand, so they must be right!!

i have turned down the massage 100's of times without any confrontation
but surely the thai kid needs to know that he may get a negative reaction when approaching someone taking a piss

 

[Princess Zelda]

I've read with great interest all of your replies - many thanks for this.
I too was not there at the time so can only recount what I was told. Dodger - as I said before my friend politely asked the guy to stop on two occasions - he then bent down at the sink to wet his hair and the guy started again - I'd get a bit hacked off myself to be honest, particularly with my weak bladder !! He pushed him back with one hand - was it aggressive ?, I don't honestly know, but it really does not warrant a smack in the mouth - he had 3 stitches by the way and broken nose confirmed at the clinic, he's also 6,000baht worse off now.
He's a bit shaken up by it all , definitely left a sour taste - we've not been back to Tiger unsurprisingly !

 

[Shire Boy]

I thought you said that's where you see your Dad these days....:neutral:

 

[farahali525]

Thai guy completely in the wrong IMO.

He's working in this club where customers go, these are the people who pay his wages, if its crap money or a shit job he should do something else. If it happened how its told here, then the Thai guy was harassing this customer, the guy told him to stop twice. I don't go for all this its because he's Thai or he had to do this, the guy was harassing and then assaulted this Guy. Simple as that IMHO...

 

[wo1f4me]

Sorry... are you dictating how Thai's should behave in their country?

 

[the_beave]

No im just stating my own personal opinion since when did I try to impose or control my belivies on anyone its called freedom on speach shame these particualr thias dont respect my free space.

 

[thecolouramanda]

What i know would have happened doesnt make it right. Like i said, the guy didnt deserve a broken nose. It is Ok because a Thai guy did it ? At least (so the op reports ) it would seem someone thought is was out of order and the guy got the sack.

 

[slw2992]

Personally, I hate the toilet massage guys, get your frickin' hands off me unless I ask for the massage. I don't condone the guy pushing the Thai massage guy away, but how could you say that a brush-off (however strong) deserves a broken nose and stitched upper lip??? We aren't meant to be in the Wild West out here, though at times it can descend into that, especially from the Thai side, but to condone it or even excuse it is madness. Dude, get a grip. You don't seem to even consider the massage guy might have been waiting for the "smack down", pumped up on yaa baa, or just ready for a fight. Seriously, you side with the Thai guy that delivered the broken nose? Madness. Whoever was right, nobody really deserved a broken nose...broken egos maybe..

 

[Amar]

While massage services in toilet is common in Thailand, I dont really see the need for it in Patong with farang clientele who are not used to it. Tiger, Hollywood etc should get rid of them IMHO. Or atleast they should respect when farangs say no. (A lot of farangs feel very uncomfortable)

It doesnt really bother me, but as a lot of farangs dont like it, I think they should get rid of it.

 

[Amy O]

+1 .

 

[xsageo]

If this thread does turn into a "gun Laws Debate" rest assured that you have spoken then only sensible statement in the debate so far and the only one likely to make sense.