Negotiating with chicas

[Pompal 09.]

Yes, he still goes to TJ once a week and bang 2 girls each time... he is in remarkable shape and looked like in his early 50s. He accredits his great physically shape to fucking chicas... in fact, today, he said he like to do a chica sandwich with me.... I didn't agree right a way, but it is temping to see how a legend works....

He prefers chicas between 25-35 and more rounded (I call them old and fat).... hey, everyman's got his taste.... he told me he fell in love with dozons of chicas in the past 40 years and actually proposed to one for marriage... she turned him down because she didn't want to leave her family in South Mexico.... he tells me that he has been fucking a chinese mexican for the past 3 years... she looked 75% chinese and 25% mexican and he loves her to death.... I look forward to meeting her and fucking her when he is not looking

I'll keep you all informed with our eforum.xxx team!

 

[Danran]

The school girls offers the best value, $25 for total service; however the collectively agreed on $40 for total service.... hehe stupid chicas, trying to undermine eachother.... I think you'll like Mariana....

There are 2 chololates in the alley: Edith from Mexico City and Marisol from Acalpulco.... both are very dark with great body.... I would recommend Edith who stands next to Hotel Edwardo.... great body and attitude....

The 2 Asians in HK are as follows: first, 1/2 japanese and 1/2 Mexico; a little thick, didn't fuck her because she was a little too thick for me... 2nd 1/2 Fillipino and 1/2 Mexico, very good and slim. good luck on getting her because she is always sitting upstairs with customers.... in fact, I don't know if she would go upstairs...

The midget is called Abril and is native of TJ. Great personality, offers BBBJ at no extra cost; does Anal as well for only $20 mas.... it is so funny how when I fuck girls with their legs on my shoulder, hers barely reaches my chest... hehe...

I just realized that I fucked a lot of them.... shit!

 

[Pompal 09.]

Tell me the prices you mentioned above are in pesos.... This is TJ, not Vegas man... I am glad you had a good time, but please when you throw this type of money, especially towards SGs, then you'll spoil them and drive the price up for the rest of us....

Stick with the prices I mentioned earlier and you'll be good.... let me point you to the right direction; go to Enva hotel (near the arch) and ask around for Estrella.... I have dedicated an entire thread for her. She'll give you an hour of EVERYTHING for $100 in a hotel of your choice....

Come Back and tell us how it goes..`..

 

[sbinlb]

Yes, all three were Mexican Americans... they all spoke perfect English... In fact, you wouldn't have know they were American unless you spoke to them. All were desperate for fast money.... one claimed that she needed $200 by tomorrow to pay tuition or less she would be dropped from her City College courses. She was very young, 19.... looked great... was a bit embrassed about standing on the street.... I had a 15 minute session with her and she asked me to book her for the whole night for $180 more... she even offer BB sex for that price... I had to declined because I already had 2 chicas before her and I didn't have $180... I asked her if I can get her number and call her in the US... she said "no"... she was there for one night only because she over spent by going to a concert with friends...

The other two were a bit older (between 25 and 30), and looked a bit of a pro... I suspect they turned tricks in the States as well...

one thing about Mexican Americans I like to point out is that the offer BBBJ at no additional cost.

There are probably more... I just never talked to them....

I have seen white chicks on the steets as well... but they are generally older 40+ and best if avoided...

 

[Gerry C]

You hit the nail on the head. There's no other way to say it. These school girl chicas don't know how to do business. And to top it off IMO their location sucks so I don't know why they shhh! their potential customers.

I also know where you're coming from. Eventhough I don't repeat in TJ I do repeat over here. And I wouldn't be happy if they lied to me about the chica not being there.

I probably will try one if the price is right. And also want to because I haven't had one. Other things I also want to do is try out the chocolate chica in the alley. Some two Asians in HK because I've never had this type. A bubble butt escort, bg, or sg for TLN. And what the hell maybe a midget chica too.

 

[simasu01]

I want to say that I will never lied about anything I say in this forum. What do I have to gain by lying? Impress a bunch of strangers whom I will never meet? My goal is to inform you about the current situations in TJ. I have said this before and I'll say it again, with the recession in the US and we are experiencing DEflation, it is only fair that prices in TJ drops a little to accomodate the changing time. Shit, I am making 25% less than I did in 05.

I don't look like Brad Pitt, but I am a smooth talker with good Spanish. In fact, in my younger days, prior to mongering, my hobby was to smooth talk girls. As I age, I find it harder and harder to smooth talk them in SD bars.... in fact, most of the times, I spend over $100 in drinks and only get older, unattractive women who wants a relationship.... I don't need that kind of headache.... sometimes, I come home empty handed....

TJ offers sure things, but smooth talk goes a long way if you can apply it.... the goal is to find out in a short period of time what the chicas want? Relationship, caring, kids, makeups, jelery, coming to America... etc... I find my previous experience of womenizing very usefully....

It is a game of cat and mouse, just like in bars of US.... some of those TJ girls are so in need to attention that it is not really hard to seduce them.... like any women, once you get them in your grasp, you can get them to do just about anything....

For the readers out there who are shy in front of women, I would suggest you apply my technics on the chicas.... it can be a real learning experience....

PS. the prices you got are really high.... those are '05 prices.... prices have gone down quite a bit... in fact, Tropicana girl once offered me $30 for 1/2 hour.... that's even less than street prices...

 

[Cee]

A casa de cita is easily but not entirely accurately described as a Mexican brothel. It is usually a home where chicas are available for hire. Men come to the casa de cita and mingle with the chicas until they find one to their liking and make a deal with the chica. There are usually bedrooms for the couples to retire to but there are also casas de cita where the couple will go to a hotel. (I have never been in one like the latter but I did get the opportunity to visit one a few times like the former in a Central Mexico city. It was, on the whole, a great experience.)

Casas de cita do not seem to be popular in TJ. Currently, the closest things to casas de cita in TJ are the sexytijuana.com groups such as ChicasVIP or Afroditas. (The groups change their names often.) Some time ago, there was an erratic agency, WizdomEscorts.com, that operated very similar to the typical Mexican casa de cita model but they are long gone.

Burt can give you a better description of them as I have only experienced one. I often wonder why they are not popular here in TJ. Personally, I wish they were more prevalent here. The music in the bars is too damned loud for my tastes, thank you very much.

 

[Lisa V]

I like you thebadguy. You write good, informative posts. I am not flaming or anything. I definitely am not suggesting that you are not being honest. Hell, I believe you. But, I don't know about those prices for GFE.

I can't say it is not possible. Maybe you have a mojo going or something. Maybe you look like Brad Pitt and are a real smooth talker. But, I am in my late thirties/early forties, told I am decent looking, very athletic and clean cut/professional looking, speak passable Spanish, know the ZN well, and (luckily) had plenty of cash on hand to grease the gears.

The majority of the girls I approached were not willing to GFE. Most of them flatly refused real GFE even if I offered 2-3 times their typical rate. More than half of them turned down any potential for GFE, even an offer of $100 for half hour GFE. I only found 2 girls willing to do anal and that was for a premium (I didn't choose to ride the Hershey highway, just asked). And I am not talking BBFS (I don't do that...anymore) just the basics (BBBJ, DIY, and DFK). And I was usually bargaining for half hour dates in a jacuzzi room at Cascada.

My best SG experience this weekend included BBBJ but she refused to DFK. And I had to sweet talk and coax her into the BBBJ and ultimately agreed to a $40 tip. That is $90 for a half hour with a SG. Most guys aren't willing to do that. Usually, I'm not either. Now, in the clubs I found more GFE. In my experience maybe 1 out of 7 in AB and 1 out of 4 in HK, were willing to do GFE. But that typically included a few ficha drinks and a $20-60 surcharge. But, that is just my experience. Obviously you get better mileage than me.

I'm glad you are having fun in TJ. But, I think your experiences are not typical. When it comes to GFE some will, some won't. I can't say that all of them won't under the right circumstances. But, in my humble experience GFE in the ZN is purely YMMV and should never be assumed.

 

[leviathan74666]

Thanks, Krapee. I think you are right about renting over buying.

 

[tombgeek]

Kittyfreak, great post! It's awesome always to read about current times in TJ. Glad you had a good time. Forget about your ex, almost always better to rent, than to purchase!

 

[:-)]

Just out of curiosity, does the 40 year old veteran bang still? Does he utilize vitamin V or is he still strong and virulent naturally? And what type of women does he choose?

The reason I ask is b/c every time I go to TJ, my friends and I always laugh whenever we see members of the AARP in TJ. We always see at least 2 or 3 per trip. They are noticed by their extremely white hair and they almost always have a fat and ugly girl with them as their choice. We never see them go up to session or see them during the walk of shame in the staircases before or after coitus. I just see them sitting, drinking and talking. Usually, their choice of locale is Adelitas. I usually see typical "Edward Kennedy" looking gringo there. And I think to myself, Man, when I am an old monger like Teddy there, I will not waste my time in TJ just talking to the ladies. (at least I don't think so now)

 

[lovelystephanie]

Just got back from a Saturday night stayover in TJ. I recently ended a 2 year relationship and wanted to jump back into the "hobby" with both feet. I went VIP so it was a bit pricey. It was very fun. I stayed at Cascadas. I will break this review into distinct sections:

HK Club-
Say what you want but I was there this Saturday night and it was a great experience. The club rivals even some of the top LA or Vegas strip clubs with the added bonus that it is a given you will have sex with the girls. Half of the girls were "8-9" category bonafide hotties. everywhere I looked I saw chicas making out with clients like it was a high school ditch party. The floor show was fucking outstanding! They have booths in the club for some nude lap dances but very little action is happening there both in terms of use and actual sex. Their was a steady flow of girls in and out of the door but at least half of the guys there were the 30 and under crowd so they had more ambition than cash to realize their goals. Old bastards like me can pay a little extra. I never haggle I just try to make the girl earn the money. Standard was $80 for a half-hour date and $100 for a particularly popular (read "drop dead gorgeous") girl. Some will GFE. Most won't. Looks (hers or your) are rarely the deciding factor. YMMV.

STAYING AT CASCADA
If you stay at Cascadas in terms of a strip club you will have a mindblowing VIP experience for $300-400 plus room. If you are a heavy drinker and/or are generous with girl drinks then add $100-200. If you are a simpleton and over-tip every guy in a uniform that you see then you should add an additional 50-$100. So a mind-blowing outrageous time can be had for $400-600. A fun budget trip could be done for under $300. What would $300-600 get you at a strip club in LA or Vegas but a good (not great) trip to a strip club if you like visuals and a little hands off dry humping, a dry dick, and blue balls. At HK you actually get everything you ever dreamed of at a strip club in LA for about the same price. It's a damn bargain if you ask me.

BTW not a single SG turned down going to Cascada. AB girls would not go to Cascada for fear of getting in trouble with AB. I was not aggressive about asking, though. The only Tropical girl I asked seem willing to go but I didn't close the deal.

Adelitas
Now the solidly second place club. Still packs them in. Still has a feel hotties mixed in with the crowd of "also-rans". This club now has the vast majority of the "tourist johns" as compared to HK being the area strip club with the door charge and floor show. The women tend to be a bit older. I'd estimate the average lady is in her late 20s ranging up to a decent number of late thirties and a small handful of possible early 40s. That I do not understand. I'd say the street girls are a better choice than AB girls. At least most of them are young.

Chicago Club
Once my hands down favorite club 10-15 years ago this place is now official dead. I visited at 6. Deserted. Visited at 11. Deserted but a little more busy. I'd estimate 8-10 girls working. Went there at 3 am. Dead. Most of the girls were "4-7" with no stars in the room. They mostly were sitting around twidling their thumbs and chatting. The only guys I saw drinking seemed serious about it and oblivious to the ladies, not to mention TDF (too drunk to fuck). It is sad to see the club go down like this but they seem to be bringing it on themselves. I recommend a remodel and a relaunch quickly.

The Alley
Not a solid as it was a few years ago but a lot of fun nonetheless. A few cuties out there. Not even nearly as busy as a few years ago. Standard rates are $20 basic sex 15 minutes, $50 half hour suckie fuckie sin ropas (insist on that upfront and don't negotiate. A ho shouldn't get extra money for getting naked. That's like paying extra for the wheels on a car), and $100 one hour todos, which can easily be negotiated to $80 with discretion.

GFE
Based on Samson's definitive definition of GFE If you are a newbie and expect GFE from a SG be prepared for great disappointment. My SG GFEs are also usually my "favoritas"/regulars. Some of these chicas (who will remain nameless) I've been seeing for years. We chat about our families and stuff. If a SG is giving GFE up too easy you should be worried. She may do this for too many guys. My GFE dates are with girls who don't make a habit of doing it. I work on them date after date until over time they will do anything for me. But, if you pay enough some (10-15% in my estimation) of the girls BG and SG will do pretty much anything for the right guy at the right time for the right price. I'm sure some would say all of them will. I can't guarantee that all of them won't at the right time for the right price. I once paid an AB superstar hottie (who shall remain nameless for all times) $240 short-time for a "no condom" session. It was our first date together. Some SGs will do it for $80-100. Some people would tell me that is not possible. They are wrong. If you can name the nasty deed (nothing S&M or involving anything brown or yellow)I have done it in TJ with at least one BG and one SG. I had a herpes scare (luckily it turned out to be shaving rash on my balls) and now I am much more careful, generally. I always ask the GFE price just to see what the rates look like. Just believe. It happens alot. But be aware it might not happen to you, especially if you are new to the scene or not willing to pay a fortune for it. Also, I don't recommend true GFE in the Zona with these "high traffic" providers. Think about how many uncovered dicks she has blown that day before you put your tongue down her throat. I have done it in the past but I don't DFK anymore. Make sure she has at least showered before you DIY. Keep in mind most herpes (simplex 1) is spread by kissing, not sex. It is possible (but not super common) to get herpes simplex 2 from kissing or oral sex. It is purely a judgment call. I've done it countless times and have a clean blood test. But I think I will thank my lucky stars and keep a hat on it for the rest of my life for any penetration. I am picky about my BBBJs, as well.

sorry for the long post. I hope it helps.

 

[Mindy joy]

When you discuss the 3 American chicas who worked in TJ for one day for quick money, were they Mexican-American girls who worked in TJ? Or are they Caucasian-Americans who worked in TJ?

I believe I have only been with Mexican females, or Hispanic, or Latinas. Dark skinned, Mestizo types, Indigenous Indian types, every color of the beautiful brown rainbow... But basically Mexicans. Would the SG, police, bars, alley businesses, hell even the puta union allow non Hispanic women to work in the zona?

 

[PotHead Pixie]

I know exactly how you feel. The school girls are by far the most aggressive of all, and I avoided them for years. Those girls just don't know how to do business. They stood too close together, shhh each other's customers and stab eachother's back. I'll give you an example: once my favorite school girl, Carolina wasn't there. I stopped and asked them where is Carolina, they all said "she is not working today"... i didn't belive them and went across the street for tacos. When I came back, Carolina was there. Obviously she was with a customer or had to use the bathroom. The rest of the girls shouldn't lie about her not being there and try to steal her customer.... it is unprofessional.... another example: Carolina charged me $25 for total service, but when I inquired about taking 2 school girls, she told me she would have to charge me $40 each because that's the on going rate for total service.... they stab eachother by lowering the agreed upon rates....

I wished they didn't delete my thread dedicated to the school girls because I insinuated that they may be underaged; I had a detailed description of the school girls and their behaviors.... I'll retype it someday.

But, you know what, once you choose a girl, the rest of them shut up.... I have had 2 of them, Mariana and Sweet Sweet Carolina.... both were great, especially Carolina, who was a perfect 10.... If she were in San Deigo, I would marry her....

Final point: unlike the rest of Zona Norte, the school girls are better looking without cloths than with cloths! Give one of them a try.....

 

[condosgirl]

I am sorry to ask this, but what is casa de cita....

my friend tells me that most girls have boyfriends or husbands; if they chose to give them money, that's their problem....

BTW: my friend (the 40 year vetern) and I are going down to TJ next week. He is 68 years young and still going strong. Look forward to buy him a beer, sit down and listen to his stories.... his knowledge is simply increlible... he is my idol... having done 6,000+ chicas and counting.... man, that must be a record....

 

[Ice_Nova]

We have to express ourselves freely and that's what makes this forum great.... we need to disagree and not hold a grudge.... you are a true pro, Amigo.

 

[PRETTY GREEN EYES]

I've found negotiating with school girl chicas not being the most pleasant experience. I remember one time being frustrated because I didn't know who I was negotiating. And I remember being like forget it. I like avoiding their area too because of their shhh! shhh! Is a turn off for me. On the bright side if you tell them no they understand and leave you alone.

 

[$$$]

i dont do streetgirls but a padrote is generally a putas boyfriend(pareja) and not a pimp per se. the peculiar thing about putas is that in the casa de citas the girls rarely have bf's but in the stripclubs(teibols) many of them do.

thebadguy- the reason your 40-year-veteran friend did not believe sg's have padortes is because he did not understand the mexican interpretation. and i agree with you on turnover. i am a veteran of the casa de citas and the turnover rate exceeds 50 percent in any given month, if not more. six months is an infinity for a casa de cita girl, probably the same for a street girl.

 

[runners.wife]

One thing is having disagreements... but I don't recall being enemies... right???

 

[Ada]

Thanks Judge. Coming from you, this means alot.... hey, what happen to your "Judge" photo.... I like that photo over this photo of a bum.