Negotiating with chicas

[G_Zidane]

Thanks for the nice words, and thanks for using our service as well.

One think I can promise you, our chicas are much more "independent" than chicas on sites like Sexy Tijuana.

 

[mjk]

Sampson, I owe you an apology. Over the years I have sung that old song about your line of work. Over time I've come to think differently.

I have used your escort agency a number of times. You are a great manager. I have also had countless unmemorable experiences out there in the mongering life. There are a small handful of women who are effective self-employed providers. This requires personality, drive, smarts, money and time management skills, and a strong work ethic. But, let's be honest. Women with those skills generally will find other, better, opportunities in life. An effective manager makes the difference for the rest. Without a manager these girls would be as lost as a crack ho on the stroll in Southern California. An effective manager is essential to a good enterprise.

There are aspects of life I don't approve. Violence against women is one of them. But, that has little to do with a manager. Many men who hold other jobs, including cops, beat their wives and partners. Some cops beat innocent people, too. Now, should I disapprove of all cops? No. Things I don't approve of are illegal in other ways. It is illegal for a cop to beat an innocent person. For a manager it should be illegal to rape, imprison or beat a worker. Likewise it is a serious crime to transport "sex slaves" across borders. Otherwise I say that a good manager is a positive thing for everyone. Sorry for the ramble and the thread jack. Just had to get that off my chest.

 

[dani girl]

Amigo: Thanks for coming to my defence, even after our many disagreements. You are truly a pro. Also, thanks for clarifying the difference between pimps and padrote. If that's the case, then it would be consistant with my 40-year veteran friend said. He said and I quote "in TJ, SGs is a job, and at times, the husband would drive the wifes to work, just as if she worked in the resturant or factory".... he told me this all along. I just didn't know the defination of a padrote. I don't get is this: if she worked in a factory or a maid, the the husband could still take the money....

Anyways, we are deviating from the point here... the purpose of this thread is "negotiation with the chicas". What I do is this: I always ask for full service: suck, fuck, total cloths and positions for $20... only 10% of them would agree, if so, then arriba we go, if she says no, then I'll increase at $5 increaments upto and including $35... I don't believe in paying more than $35 for any SG no matter how hot she is.... I have had SGs quote me $60 for full service. I reply "this ain't Vegas, honey" and walk away!

 

[WRATH OF THE FIST]

I have never attempted a threesome with SGs. I have heard it is really not too good as they tend to not get too involved. For example, one might sit on the edge of the bed facing the opposite direction as you do the other and shit like that. But, maybe I am wrong.

 

[Dj Pep]

It was even a hint that she might be underaged. I was simply stating my guesstimate of her age which I will not state again in fear that the answer may incrimminate me again....

You know what, you are just like my friend, whom I will call Ted Kennedy because he has more than 40 years of mongering experience in TJ and looks somewhat like Teddy as well.... the first question Teddy asks when I tell him about a good fuck is "Is she shaved down there".... why is that the most important question.

FYI. She is not shaved, but is niced trimmed in a retangular shape.... shaved kitties acutally has a higher risk of transmitting and receiving STDs due to the sensitivity of the skin after shaving; therefore any contact may result is rashes and inflammations.

Carolina is short, with somewhat of a puffy face which makes her look fat, but you look at the body and you know that's not true.... she has long dark long hair.... what separates her from the other Catholic girls are 1) young (but of legal age), 2) puffy face 3) short, around 5'-1"... Just ask when you are there.

The second question Teddy asks is ofthen this "how skillful is she"... apparantly Teddy can't cum everytime and needs a skillful girl to help him. Well, if that's your question, then she is not skilled due to her tender, but legal age. She is still new at this, I can tell.... but I have to give her credit for trying. When I did her doggy, she reached in between her legs to grab my balls. The only problem is that someone should have told her not to try to detach the testicles from client's body...

But overall, what a great piece of ass and a good fuck....

There's another one I like to sample next time.... if you beat me to it, please start another thread about "Catholic Girls"...

 

[Its mee]

thebadguy. mpnet provides us mongers a service and for free! So of course the moderators don't want the feds to come in and bust this place ... or be served with subpoenas and have computer geeks combing through their databases..... So, if there is any hint of the chica being a minor, of course it's in the board and monger's best interest to censor that type of activity....

Regarding the Catholic School Street girls and Carolina, did she have a shaved kitty? Trimmed or was it al naturale? I have noticed that the majority of the street girls have either trimmed pubic hairs or somewhat patchy hair downstairs. I like it shaved personally b/c I worry about crabs flying off their hair to mine....

I will definitely try the Catholic School Street Chica next time and also Carolina. What did she look like? Short, tall? Fat, thin? Long hair, short? Hair color? Natural or bolt ons? Mother's Maiden Name? Last 4 digits of social security number Etc etc...

 

[=(emoislove)=]

Back on topic - Negotiating with Chicas

I totally agree with ScatMan.... to many veteran newbies around.

Read his post...

 

[Tracy D]

It is funny how they lower their prices to customers, but when they do a threesome, they have to uphold their pride by asking for $40, as if that's their normal charge for total service... this is so funny....

I know what you mean by dirty talk. The girl was talking throughout the entire session "corazon, mi amor, oh papi... etc"... she even said "soy mala (I am bad)" and asked me to spank her, which I gladly complied. I wished I tried those Catholic girls earlier, they are always so pushy on the street, which turned me off for years.... Carolina is definately a repeat on my books.... I wish they didn't delete my thread... I wrote the entire experience in detail.

 

[Les]

The chica I had was called Carolina or Cara in Spanish... she is by far the youngest one in the linea.... I have to be careful or else they'll delete my post again.... she is 19

Total service I got was: BJ con condom, sin ropa, fuck in mulitiple positions... no anal, no funny stuff.... all that for $25 plus 5 for the room. The hotel is the shits as usual, you have to take 2 steps to get to the room from the corridor.

 

[dolly]

Again... way off:
"How about you show us your smartness and greatness and come to TJ with a pretty chica and just put her anywhere of your choosing in the Alley or on Constitution. Go ahead pick out a spot. And I will DOUBLE DARE YOU to stand within 20 feet of your chica. And you better damn well be there to protect her bro."

Totally off the point being discussed.

Let's see by your field experience TJ_ChickaAddict, I mean, did you even know there is a difference in PADROTES in Mexico and PIMPS in the US???
Have you ever ever, ever, talked to the girls and asked them who gets their money?
Husband, BF, padrote, pimps, police...etc???

I have, and it's all of the above.
Some of you guys haven't even considered husbands and police in you list of "who get's the ho money".

 

[Pompal 09.]

I have tried these gals in school uniforms on several occasions. I used to go to some of them more frequently. I remember two in particular, and they were pretty hot and really seemed to like their job. They really knew how to talk dirty upstairs. If I remember correctly one would take her top off at no extra charge, 200 pesos. These are, in fact, just SGs who are dressed as school girls. $40 is too much. For $40, I am sure you could find SGs who would give you GFE, multiple pops, BBBJ you just have to look. I will probably head to La Zona this weekend. I think I will give one of these girls in the school outfits a whirl.

 

[aimeeme_g]

Bad Guy... the discussion doesn't get quite to the point because there are many points of view in the field:

"You have mentioned that I should talk to some locals... well, I have.... I have a friend who is a 40 year veteran of TJ... that's right 40 years.... He can write a book on the Zona.... he tells me that some of the girls are acutally working as teachers, social workers down south in the peublos and do not get paid a lot of money.... this is a part time job for them..... some of them are saving up for education, and actually emailed him from Canadian Unversities, thanking him helping them get there.... he even met some in San Diego, when they finally got their student VISAs.... "

So?.... yes, this is true.
What else is new???
This is so well known everywhere up and down Mexico.
Ony the US goverment is trying to discourage this... which is not a joke, saying that every single girl working as a ho, stripper, hooker, is a victim of people traffiking.

And I do agree in one thing: the PADROTE thing and the perceneforum.xxxe figure tossed around here.

I pointed out to Burt that a PADROTE in Mexico is not the same as a PIMP in the US.
A PADROTE in Mexico is generally the girls boyfriend and yes, he get's the girl money and no, he doesn't own the girls
That's why the girls pack up and leave, or kick the BF to the garbage bin when ever they think they are fed up with them.

Take this from a Mexican with 30 years experience and yes, your friend is right, there was a time when condoms were not used at all with the girls.
Hell... they weren't even sold openly at drugstores at all!!! (things of the devil, et al).

 

[Pompal 09.]

Those girls have ID's which put them at age. Can't really comment more than that.

 

[Khun Bob]

Burt... you need to make it clearer to the veteran newbies that sometimes a PIMP as in the US is not the same as a PADROTE in Mexico.

We refer to PADROTES in Mexico to the girl's boyfriend. The one that get her money.
But that does not mean that said PADROTE controls a stable of girls as a PIMP does in the US.


Burt says: "The fact that a chica is a young street girl does not mean she's inexperienced."
Experience comes as fast as one day and as slow as a week.
If she's not broken to the business by that time she'll go home.

 

[DIANE K]

Hmmm... I have never tried the school girl section b/c I am afraid they are underage.... But in terms of pricing, aren't the school girls just street girls wearing catholic girl uniforms? Most street girls quote you at $20 to $25 for basic sex.... $40 seems a little too high for street girls, basic service....

I will try one out and report back! Did you catch her name thebadguy? What does she look like? Thanks.... also, for $25, what "total service" did you receive?
Also, what motel do the school girl street girls utilize?

 

[Midnight Rider]

thicken that skin and write your beliefs based on experience. Disagreeing will happen no matter what. You could write a post that TJ is in Mexico and somebody at some point will disagree with you. Disagreements happen. Even if you're wrong, which I have no idea if you are or not, you've got your beliefs along with your buddy of 40 years. Keep investigating to confirm your numbers and post your findings. Take the good with the bad here.

 

[airmonkey120]

Le'ts not get emotional here. My source is from a 40 year vet of TJ; he was in TJ when the chicas refused to have sex WITH condoms.... we always have a great time listening to his stories. He is not a Mexican, but might as well be with his experience.

I have been with 3 American chicas who come to Zona for one day and one day only because they needed quick money. Furthermore, the turn over rate at the Zona is just increlible; if they all work for pimps, why do 50% of them quit in 2 weeks.....

Finally, I don't claim that I know it all.... far from it... I just don't believe the 90+% number.....

If the viewers are offended by my beliefs, then I will not write anymore posts regarding this subject. I will only describe mongering experiences from now on...

Thanks,

 

[Penn]

I had this wondering 19 year old chica in the School Girl Section, across the street from Playboys Bar. I started a thread earlier but was told that I insinuated that the chica was underage and thus my thread was deleted. I am too lazy to retype the story.

Anyways, she charged me $25 for total service and was one of the more memorable fucks I ever had... bautiful body, simply a dime.

In the end, I asked if I can take one more of her school girl friends up with us next time and she immediately agreed. But she said she will have to charge me $40 each... I was surprised and asked why since she charged me only $25 for everything, and if I were to have two, I should get a discount from the $25 each. She said the best she could do would be $35 each. I didn't get it....

Finally, she said that the on going rate is $40 for toda servisio for all the school girls, and if they found out she undercharged, they would be upset at her beause customers will all go to her.

She also told me she would deny charging me $25 for total service if I were to tell the others.... I then asked what they would do to her if they found out, and she said they would be mean to her and won't let her stand there. Further, they would spread lies about ther being HIV positive and stuff and she would get no work.

I find it amusing that there's a collective agreement amounst the SGs on the charges and deviations from the establish guidelines will result in punishments.

 

[oldmanwithcoyote]

Your first negotiation with a chica is very important if like repeat sessions with the same girl.

I believe that a key to negotiations for a good session is to never ask a chica for a fee quote.
She will never start with her lowest rate.
You should give her a bottom basement offer.

So I always start my negotiations with SGs by offering 100p and not discussing what services I want in the session. Only 10% to 20% of young attractive SGs will accept 100p for a session. Those that do accept 100p are typically going to offer up a S/T session (approx 15 minutes) at their host hotel where they keep their tops on, offer no BJ, and allow only one sex position (usually mish). I have been pleasantly surprised in a few instances where sin ropa was delivered automatically.

I never have received a BJ when going up for 100p.

I sometimes have asked for a second position (while fucking in the original position) and received it without a request for additional fees. But usually SGs will ask for mas dinero for a new position in a 100p session - so I decline. I do like to repeat with SGs I like, and find it important never to accept upselling!

Almost always, in these 100p sessions, after fucking for 10 minutes or so, my request for a hand job finish is accepted for no additional charge (feenish con mano?).

Once this low base rate has been established - getting my next session with the same chica for full service on the cheap is a slam dunk. Of course, since we established the low base of 100p, for my second negotiation I never discusses fees. I simply ask for another session, but request a service upgrade: "Nuevo session mi amore, sin ropa?" or I might instead ask "Nuevo session con orale?" if I feel this is the better track for that particular SG).

I've had just a couple of 2nd-session negotiations where I received a service upgade for no additional costs. But typically the request for any upgrade in services will be countered with a chica request for mas dinero. If she asks for an additional 50p or 100p, my typical counter is to accept the added charge, but to counter with a substantial service upgrade whispered in her ear "Pos doscientos pesos toda, sin ropa, tres posiciones, con sin condom suckie".

At that point in the negotiations, it is up to the chica to accept my terms or offer up an acceptable offer. If she went up previously for 100p or 120p for a no-frills session, she will be inclined to step up the services significantly without much additional costs.

SGs will almost always remember what you paid and received in the recent past - so these initial negotiations matter a lot if you like to repeat with the chicas that please you.

 

[Basit]

GFE seems really difficult to get in TJ unless you do the work, and this is mostly for BG's. You have to buy drinks, chit chat and chemistry helps, too. SG's I think it is near impossible. I have been lucky in the past and feel that if I go back to the same SGs on each trip the sex is good, sin ropa and multiple positions with CBJ about $25. One even does some DFK.